2011 ECAC Post-season

From USCHO, the standings (adjusted for tie breakers)

                         Conference Only                    Overall
                    Pts  GP  Record  Win%  GF- GA   GP  Record  Win%  GF- GA
 1 Union             36  22 17- 3- 2 .818  75- 43   36 25- 7- 4 .750 135- 73
 2 Yale              35  22 17- 4- 1 .795  84- 46   29 23- 5- 1 .810 124- 62
 3 Dartmouth         26  22 12- 8- 2 .591  70- 48   29 16-10- 3 .603  98- 74
 4 Cornell           24  22 11- 9- 2 .545  57- 53   29 13-13- 3 .500  78- 78
 5 RPI               24  22 11- 9- 2 .545  67- 52   34 19-10- 5 .632 103- 75
 6 Princeton         24  22 11- 9- 2 .545  69- 70   29 16-11- 2 .586  98- 82
 7 Clarkson          19  22  9-12- 1 .432  58- 78   34 15-17- 2 .471  93-109
 8 Quinnipiac        19  22  6- 9- 7 .432  49- 62   34 13-13- 8 .500  83- 97
 9 Brown             18  22  8-12- 2 .409  55- 70   29 10-14- 5 .431  83- 99
10 Harvard           15  22  7-14- 1 .341  49- 61   29  9-19- 1 .328  62- 85
11 St. Lawrence      13  22  6-15- 1 .295  53- 73   34 10-19- 5 .368  89-105
12 Colgate           11  22  4-15- 3 .250  51- 81   34  7-24- 3 .250  86-117

First Round Playoffs:

Colgate at RPI
St. Lawrence at Princeton
Harvard at Clarkson
Brown at Quinnipiac

OK, so nobody on chat last night wanted to talk about it, but I'd like to see us play Clarkson. Anybody else care?

Jim Hyla
OK, so nobody on chat last night wanted to talk about it, but I'd like to see us play Clarkson. Anybody else care?

If we line up well against the Golden Crayolas then yes. But they beat Dartmouth and have had some impressive games. They dismantled RPI in Troy andd then lost to them in Potsdam. This league is the definition of parity - Cornell vs. Union being one of the exceptions.

Jim Hyla
OK, so nobody on chat last night wanted to talk about it, but I'd like to see us play Clarkson. Anybody else care?

I still don't want to talk about it.

As a 4 we could play anyone between 5 and 9. Cornell vs those teams:

 5 RPI        (2-0)
 6 Princeton  (1-1)
 7 Clarkson   (2-0)
 8 Quinnipiac (2-0)
 9 Brown      (0-2)

Jim Hyla
OK, so nobody on chat last night wanted to talk about it, but I'd like to see us play Clarkson. Anybody else care?

I'd be fine with it. At least I'd get to go to the games if Clarkson plays in Ithaca again.

Trotsky

                         Conference Only                    Overall
                    Pts  GP  Record  Win%  GF- GA   GP  Record  Win%  GF- GA
 1 Union             36  22 17- 3- 2 .818  75- 43   36 25- 7- 4 .750 135- 73

I wonder if Roger ".500 is good enough" Hull is spinning in his grave yet...

[[i]Ed: Probably not since he's not actually dead.[/i]]

KeithK

Trotsky

                         Conference Only                    Overall
                    Pts  GP  Record  Win%  GF- GA   GP  Record  Win%  GF- GA
 1 Union             36  22 17- 3- 2 .818  75- 43   36 25- 7- 4 .750 135- 73

I wonder if Roger ".500 is good enough" Hull is spinning in his grave yet...

[[i]Ed: Probably not since he's not actually dead.[/i]]

I was wondering which of Hull's principles Union sold out first to start recruiting for athletics.

RichH

KeithK

Trotsky

                         Conference Only                    Overall
                    Pts  GP  Record  Win%  GF- GA   GP  Record  Win%  GF- GA
 1 Union             36  22 17- 3- 2 .818  75- 43   36 25- 7- 4 .750 135- 73

I wonder if Roger ".500 is good enough" Hull is spinning in his grave yet...

[[i]Ed: Probably not since he's not actually dead.[/i]]

I was wondering which of Hull's principles Union sold out first to start recruiting for athletics.

Probably 'indifference.'

KeithK

Trotsky

                         Conference Only                    Overall
                    Pts  GP  Record  Win%  GF- GA   GP  Record  Win%  GF- GA
 1 Union             36  22 17- 3- 2 .818  75- 43   36 25- 7- 4 .750 135- 73

I wonder if Roger ".500 is good enough" Hull is spinning in his grave yet...

Ed: Probably not since he's not actually dead.]

If this is living

marty

KeithK

Trotsky

                         Conference Only                    Overall
                    Pts  GP  Record  Win%  GF- GA   GP  Record  Win%  GF- GA
 1 Union             36  22 17- 3- 2 .818  75- 43   36 25- 7- 4 .750 135- 73

I wonder if Roger ".500 is good enough" Hull is spinning in his grave yet...

Ed: Probably not since he's not actually dead.]

If this is living

Also interesting is this article on Union trying to cut down on profanity at hockey games. Nice quote here:

At a recent home game against Cornell University, he said, the entire student section was threatened with removal.

Read more: [www.timesunion.com]

Prior years' ECAC Tourney results for those interested.

I have been mucking about with the css and font sets -- please let me know if they aren't rendering on some of our stranger browsers. I tried to include the ubiquitous default families in each set.

Trotsky
Prior years' ECAC Tourney results for those interested.

I have been mucking about with the css and font sets -- please let me know if they aren't rendering on some of our stranger browsers. I tried to include the ubiquitous default families in each set.

Very nice summary

Finalists Named for League’s Best Defensive Forward Award. Tough to pick, since SLU has such a lousy record, but I'd go for Bogosian.

BigRedHockeyFan

Trotsky
Prior years' ECAC Tourney results for those interested.

I have been mucking about with the css and font sets -- please let me know if they aren't rendering on some of our stranger browsers. I tried to include the ubiquitous default families in each set.

Very nice summary

Indeed, very nice to have so much Cornell info in one place. I switch between thinking "does this man have a life?" and "Sssh, if he feels good doing it, more power to him." Thank you, Mr. T.

First Round Playoffs:

Colgate at RPI < 3-0 < FINAL RPI 4-2
St. Lawrence at Princeton < 3-1 < FINAL Princeton 4-1
Harvard at Clarkson < Harvard 1-0 < FINAL Harvard 2-1 (upset)
Brown at Quinnipiac < Q 4-0 < FINAL Q 4-0

So seeds 5 - 6 - 8 - 10(Harvard) win [edit fixing H was 10 not 11. They just seemed that bad.]

Colgate has scored twice in the third to cut it to 3-2 with about 1:30 to go.

billhoward
Friday games, start of the third period, one underdog winning. Teddy Donato must like his job after all:

First Round Playoffs:

Colgate at RPI < 3-0 < FINAL RPI 4-2
St. Lawrence at Princeton < 3-1 < FINAL Princeton 4-1
Harvard at Clarkson < Harvard 1-0 < FINAL Harvard 2-1
Brown at Quinnipiac < Q 4-0 < FINAL Q 4-0

So the only underdog to win was Harvard and it looks like they were outplayed. Oh well. Colgate played pretty well against RPI, so there may be some hope for an upset there. It would be tough to see the only upset as Harvard.

If these results held for the series, the QF would be:

Harvard at Union
Quinnipiac at Yale
Princeton at Dartmouth
RPI at Cornell

billhoward
First Round Playoffs:

Colgate at RPI < 3-0 < FINAL RPI 4-2
St. Lawrence at Princeton < 3-1 < FINAL Princeton 4-1
Harvard at Clarkson < Harvard 1-0 < FINAL Harvard 2-1 (upset)
Brown at Quinnipiac < Q 4-0 < FINAL Q 4-0

So seeds 5-6-8-11 win

Bill, that last one is 10 instead of 11.

billhoward
So seeds 5 - 6 - 8 - 10(Harvard) win [edit fixing H was 10 not 11. They just seemed that bad.]

They didn't at Lynah a couple weeks ago.

Josh '99

billhoward
So seeds 5 - 6 - 8 - 10(Harvard) win [edit fixing H was 10 not 11. They just seemed that bad.]

They didn't at Lynah a couple weeks ago.

The Cantabs had help.

USCHO reports only 758 attended the Princeton - St Lawrence game at Baker Rink. Another reason why talented players should want to attend
Cornell - where hockey matters!

CAS
USCHO reports only 758 attended the Princeton - St Lawrence game at Baker Rink. Another reason why talented players should want to attend
Cornell - where hockey matters!

Well, if players still go to Harvard, then you know you've already lost the argument.

CAS
USCHO reports only 758 attended the Princeton - St Lawrence game at Baker Rink. Another reason why talented players should want to attend
Cornell - where hockey matters!

Except those suffering from agoraphobia.

ursusminor

CAS
USCHO reports only 758 attended the Princeton - St Lawrence game at Baker Rink. Another reason why talented players should want to attend
Cornell - where hockey matters!

Except those suffering from agoraphobia.

There is more D, C and B goraphobia at Cornell than at some of the others.

SLU up on Princeton 3-2 late in their game 2 (early start).

Jim Hyla

billhoward
Friday games, start of the third period, one underdog winning. Teddy Donato must like his job after all:

First Round Playoffs:

Colgate at RPI < 3-0 < FINAL RPI 4-2
St. Lawrence at Princeton < 3-1 < FINAL Princeton 4-1
Harvard at Clarkson < Harvard 1-0 < FINAL Harvard 2-1
Brown at Quinnipiac < Q 4-0 < FINAL Q 4-0

So the only underdog to win was Harvard and it looks like they were outplayed. Oh well. Colgate played pretty well against RPI, so there may be some hope for an upset there. It would be tough to see the only upset as Harvard.

Colgate pretty much won the second period Friday and was all over RPI in the third. One nice touch at the game was that the rink electrical wizards with the help of RPITV.org was using the new scorboard to better advantage. The penalty clock didn't take up all the real estate on the TV section. Some replays of the infractions leading the the penalties were played as the penalties were announced.

Trotsky
SLU up on Princeton 3-2 late in their game 2 (early start).

And that's how it ended.

Colgate has 1:4? left on a power play to start their second period leading 1-0. They won the first ten minutes with RIP revived from their moribund state as the period progressed.

The morgue has more fans in the seats tonight and that's a good thing.

From the Clarkson radio announcers:
Clarkson on the penalty kill late in the 1st period ...
"Clarkson is looking more like Cornell, which is a good thing."
They went on to explain that Cornell PKers hang the stick out there to disrupt passes and such, but without getting a penalty. They were glad to see their Golden Knights learning good technique.
Nice compliment.

Midway through the second:

Quinnipiac 2 Brown 0
Clarkson 2 Harvard 1
Colgate 2 RPI 1

Start of third:

Quinnipiac 2 Brown 0
Clarkson 3 Harvard 2
Colgate 3 RPI 2

If the current leaders/winners of game 2 won their series, the QFs would be:

Colgate at Union
SLU at Yale
Quinnipiac at Dartmouth
Clarkson at Cornell

Harvard on 5min major; Clarkson up 3-2 in the 3rd.

trainbow
Harvard on 5min major; Clarkson up 3-2 in the 3rd.

H4-C3 H get 2 on 5 min. Last one on review.

It's good.

5-4 now H-C

RPI goes on pp midway through the 3rd, still Colgate 3-2.

Quinny now up 3-zip on Brown. Only question is whether the Bears will get a goal in this series.

Back even strength at Houston, 5 minutes to go in regulation, 3-2 Gate.

H 6-4

I listened to the 2nd intermission of the RPI radio feed and they were explaining the RPI/Pairwise and how it affected RPI. Ouch! my head really hurt at the end of that discussion.

4-2 Colgate with less than a minute left.

Clk pulls goalie then gets called for too many men. Wanted 7 I guess.

Looks like RPI and Colgate will need game 3. 5-2 Colgate with 2.3 seconds. Now Final.

Q wins 4-0 and sweeps.

Coupla empty netters and Colgate beats RPI 5-2.

Harvard sweeps. 2 PP goals the difference. So 2 games tomorrow.

Hahvahd lives for another week and knocks out Clarkson.

I'm very disappointed that there aren't any OT games.

I think I got this right:
If RPI advances they play at Cornell. Princeton v. SLU would be irrelevant to us.
If Colgate and Princeton win we get Princeton.
If SLU and Colgate win we get Quinnipaic

nyc94
I think I got this right:
If RPI advances they play at Cornell. Princeton v. SLU would be irrelevant to us.
If Colgate and Princeton win we get Princeton.
If SLU and Colgate win we get Quinnipaic

But who would we rather play. Yes, I know I asked this before.

For me, probably Princeton first, then QPac, then RPI. I'd be worried about RPI most because they're tough in goal, play a fast, uptempo game, and can shoot. Don't think we'd beat them four games out of five, and I'm happy we escaped with 2 already. Princeton beat us once at Lynah, and I don't think they can do that three times in one season. I'd be afraid QPac, as a non-traditional rival, wouldn't generate the intensity we need to play our best.

TimV
For me, probably Princeton first, then QPac, then RPI. I'd be worried about RPI most because they're tough in goal, play a fast, uptempo game, and can shoot. Don't think we'd beat them four games out of five, and I'm happy we escaped with 2 already. Princeton beat us once at Lynah, and I don't think they can do that three times in one season. I'd be afraid QPac, as a non-traditional rival, wouldn't generate the intensity we need to play our best.

Tim, your analysis is spot-on. Princeton is beatable no matter what they did to us earlier. RPI is a good team and were it not for their main goalie missing some injury time, they might have finished third.

I most of all would like to play Harvard (I know it's not possible with the pairings) because beating Harvard 100 times in a season in all sports is barely good enough. (Remember the joke, What do you call 100 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?)

Q'pac would be okay to play. The fans wouldn't get psyched. The players would be up for the game.

From the fan's perspective, it seems like we've played Colgate and Clarkson more than we needed to the past five years. So enough. Clarkson is a worthy foe, though, most years. Plus our ex provost (?) Bob Plane whipped them into even better academic shape as their president. I know Cornell is kind of remote, but why would a sane person attend a college with little to do in the summer when they're away and less in the winter. Oh, sorry, I forgot snowmobiling for phys ed credit.

If RPI advances to play us, they'll beat us because the Gods of Irony want both Union and RPI in the ECAC final four now that it's gone from Albany. For the same reason, Princeton (closest school) cannot advance to Atlantic City. I could see the title game drawing 4,000.

It doesn't matter. In the end, we're all cannon fodder for Union and Yale. I'm starting to think of Union (small school, good academics, good hockey) as Colorado College East. Love to see Union with the NCAA championship then lose everyone to the pros or academic issues and revert to seventh place ECAC finishes and folds in the ECAC quarterfinals.

nyc94
I think I got this right: ...

... why I didn't attempt to write what you did. Three years ago we could've just said PM you-know-who for the real story.

Of the teams remaining, I think Harvard is the most bothersome. They could beat either Union or Yale. Now if that happens, and we win, we're third, maybe beating Dartmouth. Harvard then plays the other U or Y, beats them, and we play Harvard for the title.

Jim Hyla
Of the teams remaining, I think Harvard is the most bothersome. They could beat either Union or Yale. Now if that happens, and we win, we're third, maybe beating Dartmouth. Harvard then plays the other U or Y, beats them, and we play Harvard for the title.

I love your scenario. I had the same optimism last spring when Army upset Syracuse in lax in the first round and that virtually guaranteed our place in the title game on account of the path there led through Army and Notre Dame, two beatable teams.

By definition, whoever we'll play will be playing good hockey.

As for advancing only to be cannon fodder, since Yale will be losing most of their talent this summer I'm sure our players would like one more crack at beating the "super team." It would be great to send them home on their shields.

billhoward
I love your scenario. I had the same optimism last spring when Army upset Syracuse in lax in the first round and that virtually guaranteed our place in the title game on account of the path there led through Army and Notre Dame, two beatable teams.

...mutter mutter mutter... Bemidji State...

nyc94
I think I got this right:
If RPI advances they play at Cornell. Princeton v. SLU would be irrelevant to us.
If Colgate and Princeton win we get Princeton.
If SLU and Colgate win we get Quinnipaic

Looks correct [www.withoutapeer.com]

FYI... SLU's free audio link for the Princeton game is here.. Another 4 pm start from Hobey Baker Rink.

The St Lawrence radio sounded very muddy. The Princeton radio is clear as a bell.

So you could easily hear a pin drop at the rink when StLU went up 2-0 in the 1st period.

I wish the RPI game was first, I don't know who to cheer for, probably PU.

Still 2-1 SLU, 7 mins to go in the third. SLU has hit two posts in the game.

Still, 2-1, 4 mins to go, target practice on the SLU net (16-5 in the first, 18-3 in the third) but the Tigers can't convert.

1 min to go, PU net empty.

Princeton loses. Cornell will play either RPI or Quinnipiac.

Shots 49-16 PU

The #11 has now beaten the #6 three straight years:

2009 RPI upset Dartmouth
2010 Brown upset RPI
2011 SLU upset Princeton

The #11 has beaten the #6 in 5 of the 9 seasons of the present playoff system.

#12 1-7 vs #5
#11 5-4 vs #6
#10 4-5 vs #7
#9 3-6 vs #8

49 shots on goal and one goal.

That is one hero goalie.

trainbow
The St Lawrence radio sounded very muddy. The Princeton radio is clear as a bell.

So you could easily hear a pin drop at the rink when StLU went up 2-0 in the 1st period.

Looking at this realistically, you could probably also have heard a pin drop if it had been Princeton leading.

Colgate up 1-0 after 1 on a shorty. RPI very sloppy.

RPI ties it on a Gate breakdown. 1-1, late 2nd.

Getting very chippy. Should be a good finish. Bailen who looked like a brilliant pick up for RPI has really struggled today. I think his skating led to a goal last night too.

marty
Getting very chippy. Should be a good finish. Bailen who looked like a brilliant pick up for RPI has really struggled today. I think his skating led to a goal last night too.

A loss pretty much ruins any hope RPI had of an at large bid so they have plenty to play for.

OT

OT

Rita gets her wish.

marty
OT

Colgate is looking great in the OT. RPI seems to be running out of gas. They're going to need a break-out or major mistake by Toothpaste to win this one.

That's it for the first OT. Still 1-1

Lots of action in that first period. I'm hoping for 4 more followed by an RPI goal and a line brawl.

releck97

marty
OT

Colgate is looking great in the OT. RPI seems to be running out of gas. They're going to need a break-out or major mistake by Toothpaste to win this one.

I'm only listening, but I have to agree. Also the shots are evening out. Now 38-34 RPI, but they had a much wider advantage, if I remember correctly.

RPI all over Gate early in the second.

Trotsky
RPI all over Gate early in the second.

Now Colgate seems to be picking steam. Hard to believe a team that spent a lot of the year in the top 15 is having trouble making the ECAC round of 8.

Colgate scores in the second OT and wins 2-1. So Cornell hosts Quinnipiac starting Friday. That's better than playing host to RPI. Hard to believe a team with as much talent as the Engineers couldn't make it to the ECAC round of 8.

Gate wins. Cornell will play Quinnipiac.

billhoward
Colgate scores in the second OT and wins 2-1. So Cornell hosts Quinnipiac starting Friday. That's better than playing host to RPI. Hard to believe a team with as much talent as the Engineers couldn't make it to the ECAC round of 8.

Though careful what you wish for. Quinnipiac destroyed the Brown team that beat us.

billhoward
Colgate scores in the second OT and wins 2-1. So Cornell hosts Quinnipiac starting Friday. That's better than playing host to RPI. Hard to believe a team with as much talent as the Engineers couldn't make it to the ECAC round of 8.

Read the paper in the AM, I'm sure it was due to the officials.

So the two teams tied for fourth who didn't win the tiebreaker both don't advance to the quarterfinals.

So the surviving seeds are (have I got this right)

1. Union
2. Yale
3. Dartmouth
4. Cornell

8. Quinnipiac at Cornell
10. Harvard at Dartmouth
11. SLU at Yale
12. Colgate at Union

Shots 	        1 	2       3       OT      Total
Colgate 	6 	6 	11 	11 	39
Rensselaer 	10 	12 	8 	8 	41

gate did really pick it up.

billhoward
So the surviving seeds are (have I got this right)

1. Union
2. Yale
3. Dartmouth
4. Cornell

8. Quinnipiac at Cornell
10. Harvard at Dartmouth
11. SLU at Yale
12. Colgate at Union

But it screws up my Harvard beating U OR Y.

Go gate, go SLU(T).

Trotsky

billhoward
Colgate scores in the second OT and wins 2-1. So Cornell hosts Quinnipiac starting Friday. That's better than playing host to RPI. Hard to believe a team with as much talent as the Engineers couldn't make it to the ECAC round of 8.

Though careful what you wish for. Quinnipiac destroyed the Brown team that beat us.

...and the last time Cornell was a #4 seed they lost to Quinny in two.

Trotsky
Rita gets her wish.

ECAC needs to get these games put on Sirius/XM satellite radio so that fans who happen to be driving, like on Alligator Alley, can tune in and listen. .

Here is the GWG




Gate wins!

I was sitting next to two of Colgate's three fans - hence the polite clapping heard in the background. (Very nice folks by the way. I will likely mail them my next years Colgate at RIP tickets as I will be in Schenectady that night!)

We also beat QPac twice this season, so way better than facing Brown IMHO

ithacat
...and the last time Cornell was a #4 seed they lost to Quinny in two.

Indeed, in 2007.

ithacat

Trotsky

billhoward
Colgate scores in the second OT and wins 2-1. So Cornell hosts Quinnipiac starting Friday. That's better than playing host to RPI. Hard to believe a team with as much talent as the Engineers couldn't make it to the ECAC round of 8.

Though careful what you wish for. Quinnipiac destroyed the Brown team that beat us.

...and the last time Cornell was a #4 seed they lost to Quinny in two.

The next five days will be full of positioning and recollections of past playoff lapses, so someone can say Told You So if Cornell sweeps in 2 or loses in 2 (please, no) or whatever. This is a bridge-to-the-future year. I think Cinderella will be able ride the carriage until Friday in Atlantic City.

billhoward

ithacat

Trotsky

billhoward
Colgate scores in the second OT and wins 2-1. So Cornell hosts Quinnipiac starting Friday. That's better than playing host to RPI. Hard to believe a team with as much talent as the Engineers couldn't make it to the ECAC round of 8.

Though careful what you wish for. Quinnipiac destroyed the Brown team that beat us.

...and the last time Cornell was a #4 seed they lost to Quinny in two.

The next five days will be full of positioning and recollections of past playoff lapses, so someone can say Told You So if Cornell sweeps in 2 or loses in 2 (please, no) or whatever. This is a bridge-to-the-future year. I think Cinderella will be able ride the carriage until Friday in Atlantic City.

Further if Colgate can pull of another crazy upset.

One final meeting with Yale before they graduate everybody would be a way for Cornell to have a Great Moment. This season has already been a tremendous success, but to defeat their recent nemesis in AC would cap it.

But before dreaming of that, they will face a difficult QF.

marty
Here is the GWG




Gate wins!

I was sitting next to two of Colgate's three fans - hence the polite clapping heard in the background. (Very nice folks by the way. I will likely mail them my next years Colgate at RIP tickets as I will be in Schenectady that night!)

RPI's postmortem.

[www.withoutapeer.com]

amerks127

marty
Here is the GWG




Gate wins!

I was sitting next to two of Colgate's three fans - hence the polite clapping heard in the background. (Very nice folks by the way. I will likely mail them my next years Colgate at RIP tickets as I will be in Schenectady that night!)

RPI's postmortem.

[www.withoutapeer.com]

Considering how maudlin (and run-in) WRPI was in their post-game, this was pretty good including a couple sedason recollections such as winning a game in OT while killing a 5-minute major, on a penalty shot. They were too heartbroken to note it broke a 1-1 tie against, ahem, Colgate, back in January. Postmortem shows they're real hockey fans, too, despite choosing the wrong college to attend.