Hobey Watch - USCHO blog
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Hobey Watch - USCHO blog
Posted by: ajh258 (---.redrover.cornell.edu)
Date: March 17, 2010 10:23AM
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The author mentioned Scrivens as a finalist for Hobey Hat Trick:
He also picked Polacek, and I though his reasoning was intersting:
So, I guess on a side note, it wouldn't be surprising if Polacek win POTY as well.
The author mentioned Scrivens as a finalist for Hobey Hat Trick:
Ben Scrivens, senior, goaltender, Cornell – Scrivens made a great “closing statement” in the Big Red’s ECAC quarterfinal series against Harvard, stopping 42 of 43 shots in a two-game sweep of Harvard. That leaves him No. 2 in the country in both goals-against average (1.89) and save percentage (.933), and that should be enough to make him a finalist, regardless of whatever doubts exist about goalies who thrive in Cornell’s system.
He also picked Polacek, and I though his reasoning was intersting:
When I sized up the contenders a couple of weeks ago, I listed two ECAC Hockey players as “On Solid Ground.” One was Polacek, the other was Yale’s Broc Little. Well, a couple of things happened since I wrote that. One, Both Polacek and Little saw their teams eliminated from the ECAC Hockey playoffs by Brown. Two, Ben Scrivens solidified his hold on a spot. I don’t think there will be three finalists from ECAC Hockey, so somebody’s got to go, and I think it’s Little. Yale’s quarterfinal loss to Brown made a strong case that the absent Sean Backman, not Little, is the key player for Yale, and given that Backman was injured under circumstances that can be charitably described as “ill-advised,” it’s not like he’ll be picking up the votes. On top of that, Little is one reasonably equal part of a very balanced Yale attack, where Polacek was clearly “the man” for RPI, both in terms of overall scoring and in terms of his clutch performance.
So, I guess on a side note, it wouldn't be surprising if Polacek win POTY as well.
Re: Hobey Watch - USCHO blog
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.airproducts.com)
Date: March 17, 2010 11:54AM
Cheverie of Denver has a better saves percentage, more shutouts in essentially the same number of games, and plays in a higher scoring conference (by reputation if not by fact). He's only weaker than Ben by 0.005 in GAA. The only thing is that Cheverie is a junior and Ben is a senior. Add to that the burden of "The System" and Scrivens has a bunch of things going against him.
At best, he might get to the three finalists because he's a senior, but I doubt he'd win it all.
At best, he might get to the three finalists because he's a senior, but I doubt he'd win it all.
Re: Hobey Watch - USCHO blog
Posted by: ajh258 (---.johnson.cornell.edu)
Date: March 17, 2010 01:18PM
Jeff Hopkins '82
Cheverie of Denver has a better saves percentage, more shutouts in essentially the same number of games, and plays in a higher scoring conference (by reputation if not by fact). He's only weaker than Ben by 0.005 in GAA. The only thing is that Cheverie is a junior and Ben is a senior. Add to that the burden of "The System" and Scrivens has a bunch of things going against him.
At best, he might get to the three finalists because he's a senior, but I doubt he'd win it all.
Ya I know he won't win but it's just something I read that I thought was worth mentioning.
Re: Hobey Watch - USCHO blog
Posted by: Trotsky (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: March 18, 2010 05:34AM
Raise your hand if at the beginning of the season you thought Ben might be considered for HHT.
Me neither.
Me neither.
Re: Hobey Watch - USCHO blog
Posted by: Josh '99 (---.net)
Date: March 18, 2010 12:19PM
Why not? Among returning goalies*, in 2008-09 he had the best GAA and the third-best SV% (and only .003 back of the guy who had the best SV% among returning goalies), and was the undisputed starter for a team with a defense-first system that was one of the favorites in its conference and had NCAA aspirations. Plus a couple of rising senior forwards who might have been favorites (Ryan Stoa and Viktor Stalberg) left early. Doesn't seem unreasonable to have thought he might be in the conversation.Trotsky
Raise your hand if at the beginning of the season you thought Ben might be considered for HHT.
Me neither.
* I.e., not counting last year's seniors or underclassmen who went pro last summer, most relevantly Brad Thiessen.
Re: Hobey Watch - USCHO blog
Posted by: ugarte (---.z75-46-65.customer.algx.net)
Date: March 18, 2010 02:45PM
That's why not. Goalies are rarely considered, and goalies from defense-first systems even less.Josh '99
Why not? ... for a team with a defense-first system ...Trotsky
Raise your hand if at the beginning of the season you thought Ben might be considered for HHT.
Me neither.
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Re: Hobey Watch - USCHO blog
Posted by: Josh '99 (---.net)
Date: March 18, 2010 03:41PM
True, but as Ryan Miller and LeNeveu demonstrate, they sometimes are, especially when there are other factors working in their favor, like the ones I mentioned above.ugarte
That's why not. Goalies are rarely considered, and goalies from defense-first systems even less.Josh '99
Why not? ... for a team with a defense-first system ...Trotsky
Raise your hand if at the beginning of the season you thought Ben might be considered for HHT.
Me neither.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/18/2010 03:42PM by Josh '99.
Re: Hobey Watch - USCHO blog
Posted by: KeithK (---.external.lmco.com)
Date: March 18, 2010 03:47PM
Goalies win when they post eye-popping numbers and there are no skaters with impressive goal/point totals in the same year. Only 2 of 29 winners have been tenders.Josh '99
True, but as Ryan Miller and LeNeveu demonstrate, they sometimes are, especially when there are other factors working in their favor, like the ones I mentioned above.ugarte
That's why not. Goalies are rarely considered, and goalies from defense-first systems even less.Josh '99
Why not? ... for a team with a defense-first system ...Trotsky
Raise your hand if at the beginning of the season you thought Ben might be considered for HHT.
Me neither.
Re: Hobey Watch - USCHO blog
Posted by: Josh '99 (---.net)
Date: March 18, 2010 04:01PM
Yes, and coming into the season there were reasons to believe both of those things could potentially have happened this year.KeithK
Goalies win when they post eye-popping numbers and there are no skaters with impressive goal/point totals in the same year. Only 2 of 29 winners have been tenders.Josh '99
True, but as Ryan Miller and LeNeveu demonstrate, they sometimes are, especially when there are other factors working in their favor, like the ones I mentioned above.ugarte
That's why not. Goalies are rarely considered, and goalies from defense-first systems even less.Josh '99
Why not? ... for a team with a defense-first system ...Trotsky
Raise your hand if at the beginning of the season you thought Ben might be considered for HHT.
Me neither.
Re: Hobey Watch - USCHO blog
Posted by: RichH (167.225.107.---)
Date: March 18, 2010 04:16PM
Josh '99
Yes, and coming into the season there were reasons to believe both of those things could potentially have happened this year.KeithK
Goalies win when they post eye-popping numbers and there are no skaters with impressive goal/point totals in the same year. Only 2 of 29 winners have been tenders.Josh '99
True, but as Ryan Miller and LeNeveu demonstrate, they sometimes are, especially when there are other factors working in their favor, like the ones I mentioned above.ugarte
That's why not. Goalies are rarely considered, and goalies from defense-first systems even less.Josh '99
Why not? ... for a team with a defense-first system ...Trotsky
Raise your hand if at the beginning of the season you thought Ben might be considered for HHT.
Me neither.
Well, I'll say it. At the beginning of the season, I didn't have enough faith in Ben's skills to fathom that he would be HTT worthy. His numbers have been a pleasant surprise, and he will definitely get my vote for TBRW's "career improvement" award.
Re: Hobey Watch - USCHO blog
Posted by: ugarte (---.z75-46-65.customer.algx.net)
Date: March 18, 2010 04:23PM
I'd say that there were reasons to think he'd be a good goalie - even an All-American goalie. I still say that there was no reason to think he'd have the kind of historically significant numbers that it takes for a goalie to be in the conversation for Hobey. I think Keith, Rich and I are arguing that the circumstances it takes for a goalie to be in the conversation are much narrower than the ones you outlined. Not because of anything Scrivens did or didn't do, necessarily, but because of an extreme anti-goalie bias in MVP discussions.Josh '99
Yes, and coming into the season there were reasons to believe both of those things could potentially have happened this year.KeithK
Goalies win when they post eye-popping numbers and there are no skaters with impressive goal/point totals in the same year. Only 2 of 29 winners have been tenders.Josh '99
True, but as Ryan Miller and LeNeveu demonstrate, they sometimes are, especially when there are other factors working in their favor, like the ones I mentioned above.ugarte
That's why not. Goalies are rarely considered, and goalies from defense-first systems even less.Josh '99
Why not? ... for a team with a defense-first system ...Trotsky
Raise your hand if at the beginning of the season you thought Ben might be considered for HHT.
Me neither.
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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/18/2010 04:24PM by ugarte.
Re: Hobey Watch - USCHO blog
Posted by: Trotsky (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: March 18, 2010 06:21PM
ugarte
I think Keith, Rich and I are arguing that the circumstances it takes for a goalie to be in the conversation are much narrower than the ones you outlined. Not because of anything Scrivens did or didn't do, necessarily, but because of an extreme anti-goalie bias in MVP discussions.
Coming into the season, IMHO, Ben was a solid, dependable, workmanlike, lunchpail, your-blue-collar-cliche-here goalie. Then he came out and blew away all the competition. Welcome and greatly appreciated, but expected?
Re: Hobey Watch - USCHO blog
Posted by: Trotsky (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: March 18, 2010 10:11PM
Finalists
Bobby Butler, New Hampshire
Marc Cheverie, Denver
Blake Geoffrion, Wisconsin
Gustav Nyquist, Maine
Mark Olver, Northern Michigan
Chase Polacek, RPI
Rhett Rakhshani, Denver
Cody Reichard, Miami
Ben Scrivens, Cornell
Brendan Smith, Wisconsin
Bobby Butler, New Hampshire
Marc Cheverie, Denver
Blake Geoffrion, Wisconsin
Gustav Nyquist, Maine
Mark Olver, Northern Michigan
Chase Polacek, RPI
Rhett Rakhshani, Denver
Cody Reichard, Miami
Ben Scrivens, Cornell
Brendan Smith, Wisconsin
Re: Hobey Watch - USCHO blog
Posted by: Rita (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
Date: March 18, 2010 10:24PM
Trotsky
Finalists
Bobby Butler, New Hampshire
Marc Cheverie, Denver
Blake Geoffrion, Wisconsin
Gustav Nyquist, Maine
Mark Olver, Northern Michigan
Chase Polacek, RPI
Rhett Rakhshani, Denver
Cody Reichard, Miami
Ben Scrivens, Cornell
Brendan Smith, Wisconsin
We get to stuff another on-line ballot box for this correct?
Re: Hobey Watch - USCHO blog
Posted by: Trotsky (---.hsd1.md.comcast.net)
Date: March 18, 2010 10:32PM
Rita
Trotsky
Finalists
Bobby Butler, New Hampshire
Marc Cheverie, Denver
Blake Geoffrion, Wisconsin
Gustav Nyquist, Maine
Mark Olver, Northern Michigan
Chase Polacek, RPI
Rhett Rakhshani, Denver
Cody Reichard, Miami
Ben Scrivens, Cornell
Brendan Smith, Wisconsin
We get to stuff another on-line ballot box for this correct?
Oh Danny, this isn't Russia. Is this Russia? This isn't Russia.
Re: Hobey Watch - USCHO blog
Posted by: Josh '99 (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: March 18, 2010 10:35PM
If you wanted to pick one goalie to put in the final three, it's awfully tough to pick between Scrivens, Cheverie and Reichard.Trotsky
Finalists
Bobby Butler, New Hampshire
Marc Cheverie, Denver
Blake Geoffrion, Wisconsin
Gustav Nyquist, Maine
Mark Olver, Northern Michigan
Chase Polacek, RPI
Rhett Rakhshani, Denver
Cody Reichard, Miami
Ben Scrivens, Cornell
Brendan Smith, Wisconsin
Re: Hobey Watch - USCHO blog
Posted by: Chris '03 (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: March 18, 2010 11:14PM
Josh '99
If you wanted to pick one goalie to put in the final three, it's awfully tough to pick between Scrivens, Cheverie and Reichard.Trotsky
Finalists
Bobby Butler, New Hampshire
Marc Cheverie, Denver
Blake Geoffrion, Wisconsin
Gustav Nyquist, Maine
Mark Olver, Northern Michigan
Chase Polacek, RPI
Rhett Rakhshani, Denver
Cody Reichard, Miami
Ben Scrivens, Cornell
Brendan Smith, Wisconsin
I thought it was a vote on the ten and then the top three vote getters are invited to the ceremony. The three goalies should collectively keep any of them from winning. May keep all three out of the top three too.
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Posted by: marty (---.sub-75-195-196.myvzw.com)
Date: March 19, 2010 03:32PM
Hobey voting is now open at hobeybaker.com.
Re: Hobey Watch - USCHO blog
Posted by: Luke 05 (---.tx.res.rr.com)
Date: March 19, 2010 09:22PM
Scrivens in 6th place with 8%
Re: Hobey Watch - USCHO blog
Posted by: Roy 82 (128.18.14.---)
Date: March 19, 2010 09:32PM
Josh '99
If you wanted to pick one goalie to put in the final three, it's awfully tough to pick between Scrivens, Cheverie and Reichard.Trotsky
Finalists
Bobby Butler, New Hampshire
Marc Cheverie, Denver
Blake Geoffrion, Wisconsin
Gustav Nyquist, Maine
Mark Olver, Northern Michigan
Chase Polacek, RPI
Rhett Rakhshani, Denver
Cody Reichard, Miami
Ben Scrivens, Cornell
Brendan Smith, Wisconsin
I have no problem with picking Scrivens. You are not going to get all objective on our arses are you?
Re: Hobey Watch - USCHO blog
Posted by: billhoward (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: March 19, 2010 09:49PM
Trotsky's right. Lots of comments through much of the season dumping on Scrivens, how he isn't the caliber of McKee, Leneveau. Union coach after the ECAC semis second game was effusive in his praise of Scrivens.
Re: Hobey Watch - USCHO blog
Posted by: Josh '99 (---.tvc-ip.com)
Date: March 19, 2010 11:41PM
Heh. I meant if you were to assume one of the three goalies would be in the final three and try to predict which one it would be, it would be tough to predict. I have no problem picking Scrivens, personally!Roy 82
Josh '99
If you wanted to pick one goalie to put in the final three, it's awfully tough to pick between Scrivens, Cheverie and Reichard.Trotsky
Finalists
Bobby Butler, New Hampshire
Marc Cheverie, Denver
Blake Geoffrion, Wisconsin
Gustav Nyquist, Maine
Mark Olver, Northern Michigan
Chase Polacek, RPI
Rhett Rakhshani, Denver
Cody Reichard, Miami
Ben Scrivens, Cornell
Brendan Smith, Wisconsin
I have no problem with picking Scrivens. You are not going to get all objective on our arses are you?
Re: Hobey Watch - USCHO blog
Posted by: nyc94 (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: March 20, 2010 05:27PM
Gustav Nyquist of Maine in first with 24 percent followed by Chase Polacek with 22 percent and Mark Olver of Northern Michigan with 18 percent - all forwards. Scrivens has 5 percent, tops for goalies, and is in 6th place.
Re: Hobey Watch - USCHO blog
Posted by: ajh258 (206.53.157.---)
Date: March 21, 2010 12:40AM
From an interview after tonight's game:
[today.14850.com]
It's really too bad he is not a top contender. Scrivens has been a great leader for his team and he embodies what an ideal sportsman should be.
Please don't forget to vote!
Edit: Barry picks Scrivens
Union College head coach Nate Leaman credited stellar goaltending for Cornell's win. "I've seen McKee and I've seen Leneveu, and he's better than both these guys. Scrivens is a huge difference-maker back there."
[today.14850.com]
It's really too bad he is not a top contender. Scrivens has been a great leader for his team and he embodies what an ideal sportsman should be.
Please don't forget to vote!
Edit: Barry picks Scrivens
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/21/2010 11:59AM by ajh258.
Re: Hobey Watch - USCHO blog
Posted by: Rita (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
Date: March 26, 2010 06:29PM
Bump.
We need a voting robot (voting juggernaut?) to give Ben some Hobey love.
Only Ben only has 1% of the votes.
[hobeybaker.com] (scroll down for the results button)
We need a voting robot (voting juggernaut?) to give Ben some Hobey love.
Only Ben only has 1% of the votes.
[hobeybaker.com] (scroll down for the results button)
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