Niagara Saturday Postgame

11-1-3 does not suck.

Cornell has now opened up a decent lead in win%, courtesy of Princeton and Quinny shedding some points.

.875 Cornell
.750 Yale
.667 Princeton
.636 Dartmouth
.636 Quinnipiac*

* Trailing Union 3-2 in third.

Trotsky
11-1-3 does not suck.

Cornell has now opened up a decent lead in win%, courtesy of Princeton and Quinny shedding some points.

.875 Cornell
.750 Yale
.667 Princeton
.636 Dartmouth
.636 Quinnipiac*

* Trailing Union 3-2 in third.

Yale coming on strong.

Sioux sticking it to Goofers again, 3-0 mid-2nd.

Trotsky
11-1-3 does not suck.

Cornell has now opened up a decent lead in win%, courtesy of Princeton and Quinny shedding some points.

.875 Cornell
.750 Yale
.667 Princeton
.636 Dartmouth
.636 Quinnipiac*

* Trailing Union 3-2 in third.

* Union wins 4-2

Al DeFlorio
Yale coming on strong.

The Ivies look like a two-team race.

Trotsky
11-1-3 does not suck.

But 4-11-3 does. Guess who hasn't won a game since 11/15.

Trotsky
11-1-3 does not suck.

Not only does it not suck, it's a slightly better record than the 02-03 squad managed in their first 15 games (12-3). In fact, it's Cornell's best record after 15 games since the 71-72 squad opened with a 13-2 record. I don't know whether this is significant or not, but 71-72 was also the last season Cornell played in the NCAA championship game (which they lost, but still...)

Give My Regards

Trotsky
11-1-3 does not suck.

Not only does it not suck, it's a slightly better record than the 02-03 squad managed in their first 15 games (12-3). In fact, it's Cornell's best record after 15 games since the 71-72 squad opened with a 13-2 record. I don't know whether this is significant or not, but 71-72 was also the last season Cornell played in the NCAA championship game (which they lost, but still...)

Hey, what are you trying to do? Trotsky is supposed to come out with those kind of stats.

Who?

daredevilcu
Who?

Well, you made me switch view (coming right after my post on stats, I almost thought you meant Trotsky), but the answer is Harvard. Even Clarkson has won a game since then, although their record is worse.

While I am happy that Sucks hasn't won in a long time, last night was also enjoyable on cable because of the Goofers loss to N. Dak to complete a sweep for the Sioux. To see Woog and his cohort smiling on the post game you almost wonder if Douggy wants his job back.

Doesn't this help us a little in the pairwise stats?

I knew it wasn't Clarkson, so my immediate guess was Brown. Checked that out and was wrong, so wow, Harvard's doing that poorly as well? Yikes.

marty
Doesn't this help us a little in the pairwise stats?

Currently second.

Trotsky

marty
Doesn't this help us a little in the pairwise stats?

Currently second.

Well Screw BU, but that didn't really answer my question. Does our split wih N. Dak. and their sweep of the Goofers help us in the pairwise?

marty

Trotsky

marty
Doesn't this help us a little in the pairwise stats?

Currently second.

Well Screw BU, but that didn't really answer my question. Does our split wih N. Dak. and their sweep of the Goofers help us in the pairwise?

Well, it flipped our COP with minnesota, and I imagine it raised our RPI since it raised our opponents winning percentage.

Jacob '06

marty

Trotsky

marty
Doesn't this help us a little in the pairwise stats?

Currently second.

Well Screw BU, but that didn't really answer my question. Does our split wih N. Dak. and their sweep of the Goofers help us in the pairwise?

Well, it flipped our COP with minnesota, and I imagine it raised our RPI since it raised our opponents winning percentage.

It's a complicated question. It depends. On the one hand we can pull hard for NoDak (and SCSU, Niagara, and UMass) to win as much as possible. This improves Cornell's RPI and thus, PWR. However, if NoDak cements itself in the top 25 of RPI, then the split in grand forks includes a TUC loss (and win) on Cornell's record. Right now that's no big deal since they don't have 10 TUC games played yet. It may matter down the line in the TUC comparison. There's a chance Cornell will be right on the 10 game line at season's end and whether NoDak is good enough to be t-25 determines whether CU's TUC record is a factor or not. Whether we want it to be a factor is largely a function of how Cornell does against the remaining TUCs on the schedule (likely three or all of: DC, QU, YU(2), PU). At this point I think it's too early to get too concerned with what NoDak is doing (in theory an RPI rank of 26 and success vs. conference TUCs would be ideal) because we don't know whether an additional tuc win and loss will be good or bad. In this particular case though, I think Minnesota losing is always good regardless of who it's against. Cornell's result with NoDak is largely irrelevant to that.

I get the sense I'm over thinking this though...

Chris '03

Jacob '06

marty

Trotsky

marty
Doesn't this help us a little in the pairwise stats?

Currently second.

Well Screw BU, but that didn't really answer my question. Does our split wih N. Dak. and their sweep of the Goofers help us in the pairwise?

Well, it flipped our COP with minnesota, and I imagine it raised our RPI since it raised our opponents winning percentage.

It's a complicated question. It depends. On the one hand we can pull hard for NoDak (and SCSU, Niagara, and UMass) to win as much as possible. This improves Cornell's RPI and thus, PWR. However, if NoDak cements itself in the top 25 of RPI, then the split in grand forks includes a TUC loss (and win) on Cornell's record. Right now that's no big deal since they don't have 10 TUC games played yet. It may matter down the line in the TUC comparison. There's a chance Cornell will be right on the 10 game line at season's end and whether NoDak is good enough to be t-25 determines whether CU's TUC record is a factor or not. Whether we want it to be a factor is largely a function of how Cornell does against the remaining TUCs on the schedule (likely three or all of: DC, QU, YU(2), PU). At this point I think it's too early to get too concerned with what NoDak is doing (in theory an RPI rank of 26 and success vs. conference TUCs would be ideal) because we don't know whether an additional tuc win and loss will be good or bad. In this particular case though, I think Minnesota losing is always good regardless of who it's against. Cornell's result with NoDak is largely irrelevant to that.

I get the sense I'm over thinking this though...

Yes, you're overthinking it. But I agree with everything you've overthought.

The announcers on today's wrestling matches are now, postmatch, attempting to understand RPI. Pretty funny.

I don't recommend expending any energy rooting for North Dakota not to be a TUC. I think the Fighting Sioux are too good not to finish in the top 25 in RPI.

cbuckser
I don't recommend expending any energy rooting for North Dakota not to be a TUC. I think the Fighting Sioux are too good not to finish in the top 25 in RPI.

I agree. While it's possible we could get hurt by that TUC loss, it's still just one loss out of 10+ games. If Cornell takes care of business against Princeton, Yale, Dartmouth and Quinnipiac then it shouldn't matter that much. Not saying that we will or should run the table against the ECAC but it's not worth stressing too much about that one loss possibly being a TUC loss.

KeithK

cbuckser
I don't recommend expending any energy rooting for North Dakota not to be a TUC. I think the Fighting Sioux are too good not to finish in the top 25 in RPI.

I agree. While it's possible we could get hurt by that TUC loss, it's still just one loss out of 10+ games. If Cornell takes care of business against Princeton, Yale, Dartmouth and Quinnipiac then it shouldn't matter that much. Not saying that we will or should run the table against the ECAC but it's not worth stressing too much about that one loss possibly being a TUC loss.

If you look at the top 10 in the PWR, most have at least three TUC losses - Princeton has 2, and we have 1. The only other TUC with only 1 TUC loss is Yale. Mind you, we're not going to have 10 TUC games until the end of the regular season at the earliest, and quite possibly not until after the tournament in Albany.

Frankly, I think the common opponent games are more critical, since there are fewer of them, and a loss will put a big dent in that rating.