Where is the pairwise ranking?

I need to know.

I read in a somewhat obscure place that the first edition will be out by 6 PM on Mon.

The official PWR is available in the meantime: [slack.net]

EDIT: Meant to say 'unofficial', not 'official'. It should still be the same as what gets posted to USCHO eventually.



Post Edited (12-27-03 18:53)

Seems like USCHO would be smart to delay releasing the PWR until after Monday's late tournament games finish up. Maybe they've looked at the schedule and it won't matter too much. Though I suppose the thing updates itself all the time from some scripts they have and it'll be fine.

Thank you for posting that link.

Yeah, USCHO's PWR is updated every night

Actually, USCHO's PWR (like all of their standings and ratings) is updated every time a new game result shows up in their database. The slack.net/hockey version is updated overnight.

The USCHO PWR is up: [www.uscho.com]

Cornell is tied for 13th.

For the hell of it, if the draw was today:

AH: Champion
CHA: Champion
ECAC: Dartmouth, Cornell
WCHA: NoDak, St. Cloud, Wisco, Denver, CC, Minny, Minn-Duluth
HE: BC, Maine
CCHA: OSU, Michigan, Miami



Post Edited (12-29-03 00:17)

Greg Berge '85 wrote:

The USCHO PWR is up: [www.uscho.com]

Cornell is tied for 13th.

That would make us the bubble team if there were any tournament upsets, right? Ugh.

13 is much better than the 22 we were entering the tourney! A significant move by the Red! And 13 is my lucky number

Yep, though short of running the table, further improvement in the PWR is unlikely. The WMU loss and Mercyhurst and BGSU ties hurt.

However, to be anywhere near at large contention means the team is well ahead of the timetable -- this was going to be a rebuilding year. Not to mention that they are #1 in conference in pct. Well, I guess that does mention it.

Some other tid bits: Cornell is 8th in the nation in overall winning percentage, and McKee entered the OSU game 7th in the nation in GAA.



Post Edited (12-29-03 00:39)

[q]and McKee entered the OSU game 7th in the nation in GAA.[/q]

And left it in 8th...

Brown, despite a 6-3-3 record, has fallen off the PWR chart.

The WCHA gets SEVEN teams into the tournament?! That's frickin' ridiculous. And only TWO from Hockey East, to boot...that's really sad for eastern teams.

One of the guys who got revenge on Volonnino wrote:

The WCHA gets SEVEN teams into the tournament?! That's frickin' ridiculous. And only TWO from Hockey East, to boot...that's really sad for eastern teams.

I doubt that will happen. Mark it down: the cream will rise in the WCHA and the losses to the other teams will knock them down and out of consideration. Similarly, there will almost certainly be a separation of the top teams in HE and the ECAC. HE will probably get a third team and the second ECAC team will be off of the bubble.

Which way off?

Was wondering about Brown-- I thought everybody over .500 against D-1 opponents made it to PWR. Oh, now I remember that you have to be > .500 RPI. Brown is currently 31st in RPI; Harvard is 35th!

Cornell is pretty consistent in all the ratings:

PWR: 14 (down from 22)
RPI: 13
KRACH: 14
CHODR: 13 (hasn't been updated for the weekend)
HEAL: 10 (down from 18)
CCHP: 12



Post Edited (12-29-03 15:09)

And you thought I was delusional for thinking we had an outside shot at an at large bid. Hopefully it won't matter if we get a repeat performance in Albany this March, but it's nice to know the Red can make the NCAAs antother way as well.

Great weekend in Florida! Keep up the good work guys.

Well, you're still probably delusional. The 14th best RPI last year was .5497. Cornell is currently at .5429 in RPI -- 13th, true, but lower than last year. I can't see the ECAC SOS moving Cornell's RPI *up* from now until March.

It would be interesting to see what the spread of RPIs was last year on 1/1. The figures above suggest that the mean of the top 15 or so teams actually moves north after the break, I guess as top teams beat up on their conference opponents. The reason that effect hurts Cornell with respective to the other Big Four is the horrible ECAC mean RPI, which can be overcome only by nearly running the table (as the Red did last year, going 18-1-1 between 1/1 and the selection show).

Now, if Cornell goes 18-1-1 through Albany than yeah, they're going to make it even as an at large. But...



Post Edited (12-29-03 16:15)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but last year I thought Cornell moved up from 5th in the PWR after the Everblades up to 1st at the end of the season. Not that I expect a repeat of last year's amazing ECAC record, but you never know. And if we had won a couple of those so-called meaningless OOC games at Lynah in November, we'd be in even better position.

Cornell definitely finished 2003 #1 in PWR:

[members.cox.net]

I don't recall them being #1 at any time before very late in the year.



Post Edited (12-29-03 16:17)

We're thinking the same thing at the same time. I like your edit.

Yep, I noticed that too.

don't forget to cheer for teams cornell has beaten to win. only teams that you do not want to win are those that cornell is close to even if they played them and/or games that will swing comparisons. ah, this is so complicated

And those teams are, with current RPI ranking:

+ Western Michigan (21)
+ Bowling Green (37)
+ Ohio State (6)
+ Mercyhurst (25)
+ Notre Dame (14)

(and of course, all ECAC teams when they play NC games).

It's nice to be 1-0 against the most likely possible bubble matchup among those (ND).

Greg Berge '85 wrote:
It would be interesting to see what the spread of RPIs was last year on 1/1.

This can be done:

[slack.net]

(It's called do-it-yourself for a reason. )

We moved up to #1 when CC lost the WCHA final to Minnesota. Since the discussion here started based upon whether we can move up enough to gain an NCAA spot even if we don't win the ECAC tournament, it should be noted that if we not beaten Harvard in the ECAC final last year, we would have been #4. Of course, in general it's easier to move up from #13 than from #5, but on the other hand, we can't expect the same ECAC dominance that we had last year.