Champ Belt

Hi folks,

Does anyone know who is the current belt holder? I recall that Duluth beat Minnesota twice, but am not sure if Minnesota lost before that, or if Duluth had been beaten before losing to SCSU tonight.

Cheers,
Mike

Pretty easy to figure out...

Minny lost to Maine 4-0 to start the season on 10/10

Maine lost to BC 4-1 tonight

BC has the belt

Wow, the WCHA and HEA... who woulda thunk it?

P.S. I just wanna clarify. When I said "pretty easy to figure out", I just meant "...and I'm bored so I'll do it"... it didn't mean "why didn't you do it yourself, lazy ass?!?". Just to clarify before anyone gets offended.



Post Edited (11-08-03 00:59)

DeltaOne81 '03 wrote:

BC has the belt

BC next plays an ECAC team (Dartmouth) on Tue. 11/25. Between now and then, BC plays UNH, UMass, Merrimack, and Providence. Provided BC can get past UNH tomorrow night, I think BC stands a good chance of holding onto the belt until Dartmouth. Though, in all likelihood, BC will hold onto it past Dartmouth as well.

Oops. Kinda forgot to update it. heh

And is it time to start counting down to the Harvard game?

Although the belt is a cool idea, I really think it doesn't work very well, especially when we get to the part of the season where all teams do is play conference games. It gets stuck in one conference and then doesn't leave. I guess maybe I feel that the ECAC is kinda left out (but then again, we haven't been doing very well out-of-conference lately).

Chris '02 wrote:

Although the belt is a cool idea, I really think it doesn't work very well, especially when we get to the part of the season where all teams do is play conference games. It gets stuck in one conference and then doesn't leave. I guess maybe I feel that the ECAC is kinda left out (but then again, we haven't been doing very well out-of-conference lately).

Well, the problem is the championship belt tends to favor the conferences that are top-to-bottom better than others. Unfortunately, we have to admit that most of the time, the belt will remain within Hockey East or the WCHA. If my quick reading of Age's belt listing is correct, the only non-WCHA/HE teams to hold the belt since the concept was created in 2000 were Michigan on two occasions, 11 and 12 days respectively, and Clarkson for a single day. Even taking into account the obscene ~200 days or so the national champion gets to hold onto the belt during the offseason, 24 total days in three seasons is pretty pathetic (and 1 day for the ECAC is even moreso).

Basically, yeah, the belt is probably a bad idea, given the ECAC's relatively poor out-of-conference performance overall, but on the other hand, the belt is totally unofficial and is just a fun thing for fans to track. In other words, if you like the belt and follow it, great; if you don't like the belt, there really is no need to follow it.

OK, so I should have been more forthcoming in my motivation for the post. Though I was well aware of who the actual belt holder was, I felt kind of rude asking Age to simply update it. I just wanted to start a thread to alert Age to the fact that it has not been updated in some time because some "friends" of mine from Harvard (sucks) commented on it.

Cheers

You weren't the first person to point it out. Just low on my eLynah priorities list. But since it takes about 11 1/2 seconds to do, I should just do it, eh? Well, anyway, it's up to date now

I was poking around on the USCHO forum, and a post by RPIRED gave me an idea (well, actually it was really his idea, but I thought to expand on it here).

[board.uscho.com]

Anyway, in his pseudo-league listings, he started to track an ECAC belt (which Cornell currently holds, of course ), and I thought it would be cool if Age added individual league belts to the belt tracking page, in addition to the current championship belt. This way the conferences that don't win the championship belt as much would have something fun to follow as well. Of course the league belts could only be won/lost by teams of their respective leagues. Any thoughts?

Would games played against members of your own league, but in holiday tournaments for instance, count?



Post Edited (11-11-03 16:09)

We've kicked around ECAC Champ Belt threads now and then. Personally, I think only RS and conference playoff games should count. NC and NCAA tourney games shouldn't be conference title belt contests.

John T. Whelan '91 wrote:

We've kicked around ECAC Champ Belt threads now and then. Personally, I think only RS and conference playoff games should count. NC and NCAA tourney games shouldn't be conference title belt contests.

Sounds good to me. A team shouldn't be potentially penalized (by possibly being forced to put the ECAC belt on the line) in a non-conference game that happens to be against a same-conference opponent (i.e., like the Clarkson vs. Colgate game in Ottawa last season).

I forget, what is the policy regarding ties?

I think it would be better if all games counted towards even the conference championship belts, with the belts awarded at the end of the regular season. Of course, it would be pretty depressing if all of the belts ended up in the WCHA.

bigredapple wrote:

I think it would be better if all games counted towards even the conference championship belts, with the belts awarded at the end of the regular season. Of course, it would be pretty depressing if all of the belts ended up in the WCHA.

Under that system, Alaska-Fairbanks would already have the ECAC belt.

BTW, Maine lost the Belt to BC November 7.

[Q]I think it would be better if all games counted towards even the conference championship belts, with the belts awarded at the end of the regular season. Of course, it would be pretty depressing if all of the belts ended up in the WCHA.[/Q]
The other issue with this is that all belt would eventually unify. If two teams come in with two different belt, one team would leave with both (given there's not a tie), and then there'd be no way to separate them again.

Plus, it wouldn't be much of an "ECAC belt", it's really just be NCAA Belts 1 through 6.