2005-2006 PWR

well pending some late games with the 33/22/11 we are alone at 7th

33/22/11

SLU(T) jumps, SUCKS falls, we rise. neb-o keeps getting it done with a huge win at michigan.


Rk Team PWR Record RPIRk W-L-T Win % Rk RPI
1 Wisconsin 29 3 21-7-2 .7333 1 .5931
2 Minnesota 28 4 20-6-5 .7258 2 .5899
3 Miami 27 1 21-6-4 .7419 3 .5734
4 Nebraska-Omaha 25 16 18-11-4 .6061 6 .5554
5 Boston University 24 8 18-9-2 .6552 5 .5586
6t Colorado College 23 14 19-12-1 .6094 4 .5610
6t Michigan State 23 10 18-10-7 .6143 7 .5552
8 Cornell 22 5 16-5-4 .7200 8 .5497
9 Michigan 21 19t 18-12-3 .5909 9 .5484
10 Boston College 19 6 19-8-2 .6897 11 .5456
11 Denver 17 11t 18-11-2 .6129 14 .5350
12t St. Lawrence 16 21 16-11-2 .5862 13 .5360
12t Maine 16 7 20-10-1 .6613 12 .5441
12t Ohio State 16 34 14-15-5 .4853 16 .5302
12t Harvard 16 23 14-10-2 .5769 18 .5283
16t Alaska-Fairbanks 13 33 13-13-4 .5000 15 .5320
16t St. Cloud State 13 17t 17-11-3 .5968 20 .5271
16t North Dakota 13 19t 19-13-1 .5909 10 .5468
19t Providence 12 25 16-12-2 .5667 19 .5276
19t New Hampshire 12 17t 16-10-5 .5968 21 .5262
21 Ferris State 9 29 14-12-7 .5303 17 .5284
22 Lake Superior 8 22 15-10-6 .5806 22 .5251
23t Holy Cross 7 2 21-7-1 .7414 23 .5226
23t Vermont 7 11t 17-10-4 .6129 24 .5195
25 Northern Michigan 6 27 17-14-2 .5455 27 .5131
26 Dartmouth 5 28 13-11-2 .5385 25 .5169
27 Colgate 4 11t 16-9-6 .6129 26 .5161
28 Clarkson 3 31 14-13-3 .5167 28 .5049
29 Notre Dame 1 38 12-16-3 .4355 29 .5041
30 Sacred Heart 0 9 17-10-1 .6250 30 .5006

Despite the debacle upstate last week we're still in excellent position for eastern ice. Out of town results loom large in this but let's start with what we control.

If we win tonight we flip the BU comparison by virtue of COP. We'd then be at 23 comps and tied with BU and MSU, but still 8th overall because we'd still be losing the RPI tie breaker to both.

At this point the Miami-MSU game becomes important. It's a win-win for us, but one outcome is ultimately better. If MSU wins then we'll win the Miami comparison because COP flips to us. We're now at 24 comps, but an MSU win will cause them to pick up their comp with BU, so we'll now be in 7th, still losing the tie with MSU but now ahead of BU, and still heading west. And MSU will lengthen their RPI lead over us. I'm rooting for Miami tonight. Although it won't result in an immediate pickup it will put MSU's RPI within striking distance. Ultimately, winning the MSU comp by virtue of RPI will be more important to us than winning the Miami comp because of COP.

Other significant games tonight include:

Mich over UNO: close the RPI distance with UNO so that their RPI killing visit to WMU next week closes the deal for us.

Brown over Clarkson: maintaining our TUC % helps us defend where we are rather than pick up new comparisons, but we're on the edge in enough of those so we need all the help we can get. Let's get Clarkson out of TUC.

Colgate over Dartmouth: it will be a longshot for Dartmouth to drop from TUC, but it's still possible. We also need Colgate to stay TUC.

UNH over BU: winning the BU comparison by RPI is more important than squeaking through on COP. With BU having 2 left against NU this is very possible. BU losing again tonight helps a lot.

Maine over BC: We need to keep the slim RPI advantage we have over BC.

UMD over NoDak: If we end up as a 1 seed and NoDak makes the tournament as a low seed, and host, we could still end up heading west. We want NoDak out.

With the end of the RS in sight, we could very possibly pick up 3 comparisons by then: UNO, BU and MSU - getting us #4 overall. Even CC and Miami (though probably mutually exclusive with, and less desireable than, MSU) are possible. Just win.

One other thought. If UND makes it, they'll likely be a 4 seed. That means that at least one of the AH and CHA teams will stay east. If we are a 1 seed (unlikely), we might get one of them. Unless of course they send us west to avoid a WCHA vs WCHA first round match-up.

Oh, never mind. Just win.

Jeff Hopkins '82
One other thought. If UND makes it, they'll likely be a 4 seed. That means that at least one of the AH and CHA teams will stay east. If we are a 1 seed (unlikely), we might get one of them. Unless of course they send us west to avoid a WCHA vs WCHA first round match-up.

They'd have to do the latter. Its in the rules.

Alone in 8th using 33/22/11. Doesn't seem to have killed us too much (though I don't know the details about comparisons).

33/22/11
DOESNT Look like it hurt too much but it made comparisons that were in reach far from reach now. a loss today and a win next month is better than a win now and a loss then

Rk Team PWR Record RPI
Rk W-L-T Win % Rk RPI
1 Minnesota 29 1 21-6-5 .7344 1 .5934
2 Wisconsin 28 3 21-7-3 .7258 2 .5888
3 Miami 27 4 21-7-4 .7188 3 .5701
4t Boston University 25 7t 19-9-2 .6667 4 .5640
4t Michigan State 25 10t 19-10-7 .6250 5 .5618
6 Nebraska-Omaha 24 14t 18-11-5 .6029 7 .5546
7 Colorado College 23 9 21-12-1 .6324 6 .5590
8 Cornell 21 5 16-6-4 .6923 11 .5442
9t Maine 20 6 21-10-1 .6719 8 .5502
9t Michigan 20 20 18-12-4 .5882 9 .5496
11 Boston College 18 7t 19-9-2 .6667 12 .5421
12t Ohio State 17 32t 15-15-5 .5000 16 .5316
12t Harvard 17 19 15-10-2 .5926 14 .5356
14t St. Lawrence 15 16 17-11-2 .6000 13 .5357
14t Denver 15 17t 18-12-2 .5938 15 .5342
16 North Dakota 14 14t 20-13-1 .6029 10 .5488
17t Alaska-Fairbanks 12 32t13-13-5 .5000 18 .5267
17t Providence 12 24 16-12-2 .5667 17 .5277
17t New Hampshire 12 22t 16-11-5 .5781 19 .5258
20 St. Cloud State 11 22t 17-12-3 .5781 23 .5206
21 Holy Cross 10 2 21-7-2 .7333 20 .5251
22 Northern Michigan 9 26 18-14-2 .5588 26 .5180
23 Vermont 8 10t 18-10-4 .6250 24 .5194
24 Ferris State 7 31 14-13-7 .5147 21 .5234
25 Lake Superior 5 25 15-11-6 .5625 25 .5185
26t Colgate 4 17t 16-10-6 .5938 27 .5115
26t Dartmouth 4 27 14-11-2 .5556 22 .5223
28 Clarkson 2 29 15-13-3 .5323 28 .5035
29 Notre Dame 1 39 12-16-4 .4375 29 .5022
30 Mercyhurst 0 13 17-11-1 .6034 30 .5009

Things are still pretty fragile (i.e. highly variable) Pairwise. For example, immediately after the loss last night, we were #10 and Harvard #11, for all of 33/22/11, 3/2/1, and 0/0/0. But with the subsequent BC loss and Michigan tie dropping those two down and the Maine and OSU wins moving those two up, we wound up at #8 and Harvard at #13. It just shows how quick and quirky things move even when you're not playing. Next week's games are very important to making sure we secure a tournament spot - and Union is especially important to the PWR as they're real close to being a TUC and a Cornell loss would add 0-2 to our TUC record.

DeltaOne81

Jeff Hopkins '82
One other thought. If UND makes it, they'll likely be a 4 seed. That means that at least one of the AH and CHA teams will stay east. If we are a 1 seed (unlikely), we might get one of them. Unless of course they send us west to avoid a WCHA vs WCHA first round match-up.

They'd have to do the latter. Its in the rules.

They could send a CCHA school (especially UNO) to Grand Forks instead of us. They wouldn't have to woory about attendance if UND made the tourney, and might have a problem with attendance, without an eastern team as a 1 seed there.

Glad to see St. Lawrence back in the picture.

canuck89
Glad to see St. Lawrence back in the picture.

yes, i would not mind hahvahd and slu(T) making the tourney. besides us going west right now, the current set up wouldnt be bad thing for the ecachl

Don't want to be an alarmist, but our NCAA berth is certainly not a sure thing. Union and RPI are just under being TUC, and TUC is currently winning us a lot of comparisons. Tonight is big in helping us avoid adding 0-2 to our TUC record. An RPI win vs. 'gate tonight could add another 0-1-1. Whether RPI and Union end up TUC will depend not only on tonight but the ECACHL tourney as well.
Tonight's a very big one. Let's Go Red.

National tournament predictions don't look especially relevant after the last few weeks. We're 1-3-1 with our defensemen all hurt. I'm not sure we could beat the CHA auto bid winner at Lynah right now.

33/22/11 as of this AM

Rk Team PWR Record RPI
Rk W-L-T Win % Rk RPI
1 Minnesota 30 1 22-6-5 .7424 1 .5895
2 Wisconsin 29 4 21-8-3 .7031 2 .5803
3 Miami 28 2 22-7-4 .7273 3 .5698
4t Boston University 26 8 19-9-3 .6613 4 .5650
4t Michigan State 26 10 20-10-7 .6351 5 .5625
6t Colorado College 24 9 22-12-1 .6429 6 .5574
6t Nebraska-Omaha 24 17 18-11-6 .6000 8 .5521
8t North Dakota 21 14 21-13-1 .6143 7 .5529
8t Harvard 21 15 16-10-2 .6071 12 .5423
8t Cornell 21 7 16-7-4 .6667 13 .5387
11t Maine 20 5 22-10-1 .6818 9 .5485
11t Michigan 20 19 18-12-5 .5857 10 .5484
13 Boston College 19 6 20-9-2 .6774 11 .5435
14 Ohio State 17 34 15-16-5 .4861 17 .5281
15 Providence 15 25t 16-12-3 .5645 16 .5288
16t Denver 14 21t 18-13-2 .5758 14 .5316
16t St. Lawrence 14 20 17-12-2 .5806 15 .5314
18t New Hampshire 12 21t 16-11-6 .5758 21 .5229
18t Dartmouth 12 23t 15-11-2 .5714 18 .5266
20t Holy Cross 11 3 21-8-2 .7097 20 .5230
20t St. Cloud State 11 18 18-12-3 .5909 22 .5226
20t Northern Michigan 11 23t 19-14-2 .5714 25 .5199
23 Ferris State 9 32 14-13-8 .5143 19 .5234
24 Vermont 8 12 18-10-5 .6212 23 .5217
25 Alaska-Fairbanks 6 33 14-14-5 .5000 24 .5208
26 Lake Superior 5 28 15-12-6 .5455 26 .5170
27 Sacred Heart 4 11 18-10-2 .6333 28 .5081
28t Notre Dame 3 39 13-16-4 .4545 29 .5055
28t Colgate 3 16 17-10-6 .6061 27 .5150
30 Clarkson 1 30 15-14-3 .5156 31 .5006
31 Mercyhurst 0 13 18-11-1 .6167 30 .5023

jkahn
Tonight's a very big one. Let's Go Red.

Big win. I feel a whole lot better now, despite being on a 13 hour airplane flight between these last two posts.

I know it's early, but anyone else see the potential nightmare of going to Grand Forks to play UND? And then Minnesota. I think Michigan deserves that fate more than anyone else, for the hell that WCHA teams have had for going to play at Yost or Grand Rapids against Mich for a regional.

redGrinch
I know it's early, but anyone else see the potential nightmare of going to Grand Forks to play UND? And then Minnesota. I think Michigan deserves that fate more than anyone else, for the hell that WCHA teams have had for going to play at Yost or Grand Rapids against Mich for a regional.

We should hope to be in UND's band... to 1) avoid playing them, and 2) give us a 2 in 3 shot to stay east.

Given the up and down nature of this year's team and the lack of depth on D, all eyes really ought to turn towards the ECACs as the Big Achievement for this season. If the Red win it all in Albany, I won't be disappointed if they get sent to Ulan Bator.

Does that mean that we should drop a few in the PWR? I always get incensed this time of year when such inane scenarios start to play out. Come on, it has to be a neutral game, no matter what. Am I the only one who feels like it's a big part of the western dominance lately in the tourney? They're getting home games and revenue out of the national tournament! Playing anyone on their home olympic ice sheet is a fate that should go to the autobid teams, not to some major conference champion. Ok, sorry.

Does anyone know what size ice the Green Bay arena has? I see that Michigan Tech is the host, but it's not their regular ice. Resch is tied to UW-GB. It's refreshing that it's almost a "neutral site." Also, looking ahead to 2007, can it be anyone except us as the host in Rochester? Am I too optimistic about it?

Trotsky
Given the up and down nature of this year's team and the lack of depth on D, all eyes really ought to turn towards the ECACs as the Big Achievement for this season. If the Red win it all in Albany, I won't be disappointed if they get sent to Ulan Bator.

Agree 100%.

Trotsky
Given the up and down nature of this year's team and the lack of depth on D, all eyes really ought to turn towards the ECACs as the Big Achievement for this season. If the Red win it all in Albany, I won't be disappointed if they get sent to Ulan Bator.

200x100 rink there and a sign that says, "Go Gophers," with our luck.

Winnabago
Does anyone know what size ice the Green Bay arena has? I see that Michigan Tech is the host, but it's not their regular ice. Resch is tied to UW-GB. It's refreshing that it's almost a "neutral site." Also, looking ahead to 2007, can it be anyone except us as the host in Rochester? Am I too optimistic about it?

Both Green Bay and Fargo are regulation North American rinks. So at least there's that this year.

Winnabago
Does that mean that we should drop a few in the PWR? I always get incensed this time of year when such inane scenarios start to play out. Come on, it has to be a neutral game, no matter what. Am I the only one who feels like it's a big part of the western dominance lately in the tourney? They're getting home games and revenue out of the national tournament! Playing anyone on their home olympic ice sheet is a fate that should go to the autobid teams, not to some major conference champion. Ok, sorry.

Does anyone know what size ice the Green Bay arena has? I see that Michigan Tech is the host, but it's not their regular ice. Resch is tied to UW-GB. It's refreshing that it's almost a "neutral site." Also, looking ahead to 2007, can it be anyone except us as the host in Rochester? Am I too optimistic about it?

FYI, Engelstad is NHL size; I believe Green Bay is also. Also ECACHL is the host for Rochester - all host data can be found here: [www.ncaasports.com]

It's been discussed before, but the problem with western regional sites is there just aren't too many neutral site rinks that can be used.... Grand Rapids; maybe Cleveland. Not as many AHL-sized arenas out there. The reality is that there just aren't too many applications for western regional sites so the schools with the large rinks step in.

Next year both western sites are standard NA rinks too - the AHL rink in Grand Rapids and the Pepsi Center in Denver.

2008, unfortuantely is CC and UW's home sites, with widths of 100 and 97 feet, respectively.

2009 we return (hopefully not we literally) to Mariucci, but the other is the AHL rink in Grand Rapids again.

Denver scored 5 in the third to beat NoDak 7-3 tonight. That should flip the DU/ND comparison and give Harvard/Cornell a three comparison lead over North Dakota and move DU back into tourney position at #14 at the moment. We'll see what holds up next week (Denver plays CC, NoDak plays MTU).

yeah with 33/22/11 we are tied with SUCKS for 7th. this is pending the minnesota result

redGrinch
FYI, Engelstad is NHL size; I believe Green Bay is also. Also ECACHL is the host for Rochester - all host data can be found here: [www.ncaasports.com]

It's been discussed before, but the problem with western regional sites is there just aren't too many neutral site rinks that can be used.... Grand Rapids; maybe Cleveland. Not as many AHL-sized arenas out there. The reality is that there just aren't too many applications for western regional sites so the schools with the large rinks step in.

Thanks for the link. I can't find anything online about Green Bay, but apparently Engelstad has two sheets in the building at different sizes - for practice depending on the opponent, I guess, but the main arena is definitely 200x85. It would be a shame to play NoDak there, especially for a team that's a higher seed.

I guess the only real certainty is to be the host. The ECACHL and RPI are listed as hosts this year. Is there a similar relationship to Rochester next year for us? Geographically, it's our backyard.

If this has already been discussed, sorry.

minne beats the seawolves and clinches first place...

33/22/11
Rk Team PWR Record RPI
Rk W-L-T Win % Rk RPI
1 Minnesota 29 1 23-6-5 .7500 1 .5867
2 Wisconsin 28 5 21-9-3 .6818 2 .5739
3 Miami 27 2 23-7-4 .7353 4 .5678
4 Boston University 26 7t 19-9-4 .6563 3 .5689
5 Michigan State 25 11 20-10-8 .6316 5 .5604
6 Colorado College 24 9 23-12-1 .6528 6 .5550
7t Cornell 22 6 17-7-4 .6786 10 .5422
7t Harvard 22 12 17-10-2 .6207 9 .5447
9t North Dakota 19 15 21-14-1 .5972 7 .5491
9t Maine 19 3 23-10-1 .6912 8 .5471
9t Michigan 19 24 18-13-5 .5694 11 .5422
9t Nebraska-Omaha 19 21t 18-12-6 .5833 12 .5418
13 Boston College 17 7t 20-10-2 .6563 14 .5362
14t New Hampshire 16 17t 17-11-6 .5882 16 .5293
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14t Denver 16 17t 19-13-2 .5882 13 .5370
16t Dartmouth 12 20 16-11-2 .5862 15 .5319
16t Northern Michigan 12 21t 20-14-2 .5833 23 .5233
18t Ohio State 11 36 15-17-5 .4730 21 .5237
18t Providence 11 26t 16-13-3 .5469 19 .5255
20t St. Lawrence 10 25 17-13-2 .5625 18 .5270
20t Vermont 10 13t 18-10-6 .6176 20 .5242
22 Ferris State 9 30 15-13-8 .5278 17 .5279
23 St. Cloud State 7 17t 18-12-4 .5882 26 .5204
24 Alaska-Fairbanks 6 31 15-14-5 .5147 24 .5213
25t Lake Superior 5 28 15-12-7 .5441 25 .5205
25t Minnesota State 5 32t 16-16-4 .5000 29 .5036
27t Holy Cross 3 4 21-9-2 .6875 22 .5234
27t Sacred Heart 3 10 19-10-2 .6452 28 .5170
29 Notre Dame 2 39 13-17-4 .4412 30 .5023
30 Colgate 1 13t 18-10-6 .6176 27 .5198

So NoDak moved up like... 5 or 6 places by losing to Denver? PWR confuses me.

Dafatone
So NoDak moved up like... 5 or 6 places by losing to Denver? PWR confuses me.

One more reason to wonder about NCAA absolutism of banding the teams -- you're one of 4 1-seeds, 2-seeds, 3-seeds, 4-seeds, and can't be moved out of band to accommodate other problems. The lowest 2-seed is essentially the same as the highest 3-seed, and maybe given the dynamics, maybe not a lot different than the highest of the 4-seeds.
Someone should calculate a margin of error. If nothing else, consider how much a team's PWR changes over any one week ... or how much it changes if the team's result isn't counted and you only calculate what the other teams did.
The two worst things about the hockey seeding are a) when the committee has little flexibility and b) when it has a lot.

Dafatone
So NoDak moved up like... 5 or 6 places by losing to Denver? PWR confuses me.

No, they were higher after Friday night, when they BEAT Denver. They split on the weekend with a good team, so they moved up.

Oh, okay, they split with Denver. Makes sense, though the jump they took was huge.

Dafatone
Oh, okay, they split with Denver. Makes sense, though the jump they took was huge.

Go to [slack.net], run the script and look at which comparisons North Dakota is winning now. Then go to the list of games played and erase the ones from this weekend (they're listed by date in year, month, day format with no hyphens or spaces) and make sure to check "Specify Results". Run the script again and compare which comparisons they were winning before the weekend.

Aside from having to travel to GB, our draw right now in the NCAAs is pretty good. UNO, and with a win, a Wisconsin team that's struggling. Who knows what the eventual draw will be, but this one isn't so bad. Also, good to see Harvard finally sent West.

So do we think that Cornell needs to get 5th or 6th to stay east? Is it a sure-thing that Minnesota and Wisconsin stay top 2?

I think a big X-Factor could be Niagra. They have been playing well of late (swept Bemidji this weekend). If they win the CHA tournament that will give us two more wins over TUC's. I'm not sure if it would help us win any comparisons, but at the least it would be some insurance if we bow out early of the ECAC tournament (against a TUC). PWR junkies please correct me if I'm wrong.

jkahn

jkahn
Tonight's a very big one. Let's Go Red.

Big win. I feel a whole lot better now, despite being on a 13 hour airplane flight between these last two posts.

Just used JTW's slack.net script to see how big last night's win was. We would've dropped to 13th with a loss last night.

jkahn
Just used JTW's slack.net script to see how big last night's win was. We would've dropped to 13th with a loss last night.

Meaning that we'd better sweep our QF opponent rather than going 2-1...

Every team beating us in a comparison is doing so by RPI alone, excluding Wisconsin and Minny - they are just beating us in everything.

With teams we are currently winning comparisons against (like Sucks, BC, Michigan, UNO, etc) we already have the TUC upperhand. So Niagara becoming a TUC won't help us win anymore comparions, but it will go a long way to making sure we don't lose any.

Losing in the playoffs is not an option now, the RPI won't go down with a win anymore but it can certainly drop if we lose - so just keep winning

oceanst41
Every team beating us in a comparison is doing so by RPI alone, excluding Wisconsin and Minny - they are just beating us in everything.

With teams we are currently winning comparisons against (like Sucks, BC, Michigan, UNO, etc) we already have the TUC upperhand. So Niagara becoming a TUC won't help us win anymore comparions, but it will go a long way to making sure we don't lose any.

Losing in the playoffs is not an option now, the RPI won't go down with a win anymore but it can certainly drop if we lose - so just keep winning

so given that, can we move up in pairwise to let's say #4 by winning against 2 non-tuc twice, and two tucs in albany? ie. will winning out actually increase the rpi enough that we can become a #1 seed?

Its distinctly possible, but depends a lot on what the teams ahead of us do. If a few of them lose, absolutely. If most of them win out, then I would doubt it.

Right now, the goal has gotta be to get to the 6-3 range as the Western teams have the top two spots all but sewn up. If Cornell wins out, how likely is it that they get into the 6-3 range? And if Cornell sweeps the QF and split in Albany, what are the chnaces of that happening?

Hate to say it, but even at a lower seed, we could be given to the Albany regional provided we aren't required to be screwed over.

Ack
Hate to say it, but even at a lower seed, we could be given to the Albany regional provided we aren't required to be screwed over.

If MN and WI are predestined for one and two, then seven, eight, nine, ten, fifteen, and sixteen look to be headed west. Unless, that is, the dreaded intraconference first-round matchup rears its ugly head.

Al DeFlorio

Ack
Hate to say it, but even at a lower seed, we could be given to the Albany regional provided we aren't required to be screwed over.

If MN and WI are predestined for one and two, then seven, eight, nine, ten, fifteen, and sixteen look to be headed west. Unless, that is, the dreaded intraconference first-round matchup rears its ugly head.

Which poses some really interesting problems if UND makes it in to the tournament as a 4 seed in their regional. Neither Wisc or Minny would be able to be the 1 seed there. It would likely be Miami @UND, UMN @ Green Bay (Wisc isn't actually the host), and UW sent out east.

From what I played around with we would need help, i.e. MSU or BU tanking it early in their playoffs

Al DeFlorio

Ack
Hate to say it, but even at a lower seed, we could be given to the Albany regional provided we aren't required to be screwed over.

If MN and WI are predestined for one and two, then seven, eight, nine, ten, fifteen, and sixteen look to be headed west. Unless, that is, the dreaded intraconference first-round matchup rears its ugly head.

... sticking it to another school with rabid fans who'll pack an arena within a couple hours drive.

Might I be so bold as to suggest that this thread be closed on 2/28 and a new thread started for March PWR discussions? It is getting a little large to navigate IMNSHO

Kevin

Agreed. The recruit one should be restarted also. I think it might be more unwieldy than the unwieldy thread it was meant to replace.

Yes, we are definitely in need of a new "playoff edition" of the 2005-2006 PWR thread (I was thinking that last night, just not up to suggesting it). Maybe we can call the new thread "By the Numbers: How to get to Grand Forks, ND".

Yes, I know way too early to be speculating how the committee will send us to ND. We need to focus on getting Cornell to Albany!!

EDIT: Albany for the ECACHL!

Maybe not so bad. This years recruits look small so hopefully they're fast and can use the space.

i can create it tomorrow AM after I get back from call

well pm not AM

here is the new thread
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