Students Bad Behavior

I have been to a lot of Cornell games in my time but tonight I was embarassed for our school. Loose with clas not with sorid cheers.

What happened? On the radio, it sounded like people were just chanting Let's Go Red and the like.

i agree, from what the announcers were saying they were impressed with our loyality to our team and the continual cheers even when we were down. they mentioned the "let's go red" cheers, but nothing of the negative sort...

anyone who was at the game care to fill in the rest of us?

[Q]CaribRedFan Wrote:

i agree, from what the announcers were saying they were impressed with our loyality to our team and the continual cheers even when we were down. they mentioned the "let's go red" cheers, but nothing of the negative sort...

anyone who was at the game care to fill in the rest of us?[/q]

I would, but I don't know what he's referring to. Bill?

edit: In fact, what does "sorid" mean?

Actually, the Dartmouth announcers chided their own fans for cursing at the Cornell players, but mentioned nothing negative of the Cornell fans... well, the wacko color guy was clearly confused at the notion of actually supporting our team, even if we weren't winning, but they didn't complain about the Cornell fans' language.

They did mention "a 'Swallow' cheer" which I'm sure you can imagine. But it didn't sound like anything nastier than the usual round of chants judgung from the Dartmouth radio guys.

Now, if Bill were talking about the losers who've thrown bottles at Lynah, I'd agree with him.

I agree with Bill, the students seemed more interested in "comic relief" rather than directly supporting our hockey team late in the game. However, most of the cheers were inventive, and for the most part non-offensive. I would characterize cheering during my student years (75-79) as much more foul and fishy.

Chris '79

[Q]cmoberg Wrote:

I agree with Bill, the students seemed more interested in "comic relief" rather than directly supporting our hockey team late in the game. However, most of the cheers were inventive, and for the most part non-offensive.[/q]

Well I can't say I blame them for that. After the "comic reflief" of pulling McKee for Chabot wore off, I think we could have all used some comic relief last night. We were joking around in the chat room (to hide our tears ) too. If the cheers were way beyond what we usually do, insulting, offensive, cursing, over the top, that'd be a problem. If they were in line with normal Cornell stuff, and used to hide the pain, I take no issue with that.

Heck, maybe we found the reason that Schafer put Chabot in

I thought our cheers were very appropriate. We did lose with dignity. It certainly says something that we are still cheering down 6-1, while it took the Dartmouth fans a 4-1 lead to get some life. No joke, their student section was empty (maybe 4 students total -- no exaggeration) until half way through the 1st.

When you are down 6-1 and you have a highly touted team, you have no choice but to resort to comic relief. If that makes me a facetimer, well ...

We supported them as well, there were several rounds of "Louis, Louis," and we did get off the Cornell fight song, alma matter, etc. sans band.

Maybe Bill '71 sat behind Jamie, that's my guess, in which case I apologize to him on behalf of the University.

Is anybody going to tell us what was said that could have been deemed as so sorid and offensive?

When things are awful on the ice, a certain type of fan gives up on the game and vents his (it's always a male; it's one of those innumerable instances in which females have more innate dignity) spleen at the opposing fans. It's infantile and it makes him look like a surly drunk at last call, but it's always happened and always will. As long as it doesn't degenerate into a security issue, it isn't worth anything more than feeling a little embarrassed for him.

[Q]Facetimer Wrote:
Maybe Bill '71 sat behind Jamie, that's my guess, in which case I apologize to him on behalf of the University.[/q]

What did Jamie say?

sordid? you have got to be kidding me.

"hey dartmouth, the old man on the mountain called, he said" (you suck), "no no no he said ahhhhhhhhhh (as his face falls off)."

give us a little credit. we did final countdown (and the alma mater and swanee river and my old cornell and screw bu...) acapella.

[Q]A-19 Wrote:

sordid? you have got to be kidding me.

"hey dartmouth, the old man on the mountain called, he said" (you suck), "no no no he said ahhhhhhhhhh (as his face falls off)."

give us a little credit. we did final countdown (and the alma mater and swanee river and my old cornell and screw bu...) acapella.



Edited 1 times. Last edit at 11/13/05 12:44PM by A-19.[/q]

And if Jen had been able to find kazoos, we would have done them accompanied.

Um, considering the couple hundred Cornell fans were still cheering in the third period and doing so positively, I have no clue what else you would want in an embarrassing performance like last night. We were trying to have a good time despite the miserable game by coming up with more comedic cheers (nothing of the negative variety towards Cornell). Most notably, Dartmouth's 3000+ fans never said anything unless it was one of their team's six goals. Even in the third period, the Cornell fans were a million times louder and more spirited.

[Q]Trotsky Wrote:

When things are awful on the ice, a certain type of fan gives up on the game and vents his (it's always a male; it's one of those innumerable instances in which females have more innate dignity) spleen at the opposing fans. It's infantile and it makes him look like a surly drunk at last call, but it's always happened and always will. As long as it doesn't degenerate into a security issue, it isn't worth anything more than feeling a little embarrassed for him.[/q]

To those who are curious, this was not Jaime.

Re: comedic relief:
At a certain point, you realize the game will be a loss, and an ugly one at that. You can't quite stomach saying "sieve" or "we're gonna beat the hell out of you" or the black hole cheer when it's so blatently false (for that night, at least) and the thirteen year olds over your shoulder and the annoying guy in front of you are pointing to the scoreboard and saying "it's your goalie that's a sieve - don't you have some cute cheer for that?" Straight "LGR" turns you into a Vermont/Dartmouth fan with their "Go Cats Go" or "Let's go Green." So you get kinda giddy and start the comedic relief for variety and for the sanity of yourself and all those around you.

There was some sexual humor (names like Offers, Johnson, and Swallows scream for that sort of attention). When Swallows assisted on a goal early on in the scoring, there was a "Swallows Sucks Swallows Sucks" cheer. There was a very funny telephone cheer. There was a "We get to leave New Hampshire" and a "Safety village" (that never got off the ground) and a "Let's get wasted" and a "Where is Keggy?" There was a lot of "Hey Murphy, you're blowing the game" and some cruder versions thereof - completely justified because he made some truly awful calls/non-calls - such as not stopping play when the puck hit the net and when it hit the bench, sending O'Byrne to the box for contact to the head when the Cornell player that pushed a face into the ice was (I believe) Glover, etc. I don't think there was much, if anything, vicious directed towards anyone other than him.

Perhaps we weren't always directly supporting the team, but we weren't ripping on them, and we weren't shutting up and sitting down, no matter how much the Dartmouth fans wanted us to.

[Q]Bill71 Wrote:

I have been to a lot of Cornell games in my time but tonight I was embarassed for our school. Loose with clas not with sorid cheers.[/q]

Please either develop a sense of humor or refrain from posting in the future. Thank you.

The fans at Dartmouth were the only Cornellians that came out to play Saturday, I'd like to be understanding here, but anyone who had a problem with us is complaining for the sake of complaining (which is often why people post on elynah at all).

We drove for hours to the middle of nowhere just to watch our team embarrass themselves. And even as awful as that sounds, we found a way to have fun in the 3rd period, and take something out of an otherwise terrible roadie.

Favorite Chant of the night: "Live Free" (Point to Cornell section), "DIE!" (Point to Dartmouth Section)
--> Must pat myself on the back for that one

[Q]CM cWo 44 Wrote:
Favorite Chant of the night: "Live Free" (Point to Cornell section), "DIE!" (Point to Dartmouth Section)
--> Must pat myself on the back for that one[/q]*pats CM cWo 44 on the back*

Excellent.

I wan't at the game, so I wouldn't know what the students did there. Other people, please let the rest of us know what happened?

Bill are you a Cornell alumn? Or a Dartmouth fan who is angry with Cornell cheering section at the game?

If you are a Cornell alumn, I admire your action in sharing with the rest of us students your opinion. It definitely takes courage to stand up and say the right things that you believe in, especially when it goes against the large portion of the public.

If you are a Dartmouth fan ranting here... go get your own forum somewhere else.

I THINK BILL IS A DARTMOUTH FAN PRETENDING TO BE A CORNELL FAN..

For one, we don't remember the last time he posted here..

And for sure.. the location of his IP address: 64.223.144.--- is NEW HAMPSHIRE!!!

If Elynah would display the last part of the IP address, that would be really great but this alone was enough to verify that the post was from New Hampshire

[Q]Oat Wrote:

If Elynah would display the last part of the IP address, that would be really great but this alone was enough to verify that the post was from New Hampshire[/q]
It is possible that a Cornell alum might actually choose to live in New Hampshire. There are even more than a few of us here in Massachusetts.

[Q]Al DeFlorio Wrote:

It is possible that a Cornell alum might actually choose to live in New Hampshire.[/q]

On purpose?

(I keed, I keed...)

Bill71 = fair weather dartmouth fan

Keggy Called: He said: I'm Tapped!!!

[Q]Al DeFlorio Wrote:

It is possible that a Cornell alum might actually choose to live in New Hampshire. There are even more than a few of us here in Massachusetts.[/q]

That is definitely a possibility. That's why I said I THINK he is from Dartmouth..
Because I simply don't think that he would have worded his opinion like that if he was really from Cornell...

Careful...there's a gremlin on the side of your car!...

I *heart* your smile

Commie

You're so high!

check mate.

Bill could just be an alum who lives in New Hampshire, thus explaining why it clearly has been so long for him to attend a game that he has lost any sense of humor. It'd be nice if he actually bothered to post what we did that was so "sorid".

After McKee got pulled, it became clear that barring a miracle a game was over, so we decided to win the cheering game. I thought it was great, we had alot of creative cheers, did the music for all of the songs, and basically rubbed it into thier fans that they were horribly outcheered in their own arena in a game they were winning by 5 goals. The best cheering fans they had had an average age of roughly 12.

[Q]French Rage Wrote:
The best cheering fans they had had an average age of roughly 12.[/q]

Hence the "(point to group of noisy 12 yr olds) Good fans! (point to Dartmouth student section) Bad fans!"

The possibility that he didn't update his address certainly does exists.. But somehow my senses are telling me that he is not from Cornell. I don't think an alumn would post a new thread in this forum and say exactly:

"I have been to a lot of Cornell games in my time but tonight I was embarassed for our school. Loose with clas not with sorid cheers."

He mispelled many words. This carelessness is definitely the lack and attention, which could indicate that the author was not sincere about his message. And why was this comment not posted in the post-game thread? If this alumn were really "embarassed for our school" and cared so much to post here, wouldn't he have naturally taken the time to elaborate more? Wouldn't he have naturally pointed out specific incidents or particular cheers that he thought was offensive to bolster his vague statement? While I have no clue what our students did, his statement just seemed so insincere and unnatural to me.

I am still not convinced that Bill is a Cornellian.

If a Dartmouth fan who was outcheered in his own rink wanted to post here and say "Hey, You guys were sore losers and you were chanting really horrible stuff. I think you guys should demonstrate some class when you lose." A vast majority of us would have laughed and disregarded that crap immediately.. right?

So it would only make sense for a Dartmouth fan to post here as a Cornell fan and reword that stuff to make it more believable and meaningful... Do you know what I'm saying?

Bill, if you are a Dartmouth fan, it's fine. We get the point. And Bill, if you are a Cornell fan, please understand that I am not trolling or disrespecting you. I'm just reading between the lines and analyzing all the possibilities..

sorry for double posts.. i clicked and reloaded a bunch of time.. the browser kind of froze and then came back.. it was confusing..

As the mom of a current student I was proud of how the cheering section held up during the game. It really did seem to annoy some of the Dartmouth fans though, which must mean that they have very little sense of humor.
My favorite cheer: Good fan (group of young girls [about age 10-12] cheering for Dartmouth as loudly as they could):
Bad fan (the student section, what student section?)

My take on the game: If I was Schafer I would tell the team to stay away from the ice till Wednesday, shake off the game, and come back ready to play hockey. They have talent, it just wasn't very evident on Saturday. With just a few exceptions, there was no hunger on the ice.
Just my opinion.
Mom

After the game, a Dartmouth fan approached a group of us and said, "You guys might have lost, but you have the best fans ever."

It's nice that someone was able to appreciate our enthusiasm and not get offended that fans might actually support their team even in an embarassing loss. I guess some people in Hanover have a sense of humor.

Hey, Bill, get a friggin’ life! I was part of that cheering, and nothing we did was at all shameful. The only embarrassing things are your post, your apparent lack of support for your team, your lack of camaraderie with the fans who drove hours to back the team and stuck with them to the bitter end, in spite of the outcome, and your lack of courtesy and/or guts to surface again when your original post was questioned and challenged.

Dude, looks like you’re just lacking from top to bottom.

Bill71 where are you??? reactions, responses, retorts ... ?

[Q]Killer Wrote:

Hey, Bill, get a friggin’ life! I was part of that cheering, and nothing we did was at all shameful. The only embarrassing things are your post, your apparent lack of support for your team, your lack of camaraderie with the fans who drove hours to back the team and stuck with them to the bitter end, in spite of the outcome, and your lack of courtesy and/or guts to surface again when your original post was questioned and challenged.

Dude, looks like you’re just lacking from top to bottom.[/q]

Kill Killer Kill!

Oat, nothing personal, but I really don't think you're the right person to be challenging someone's authenticity on the basis of their spelling or grammar.

Beeeej

Oh, I'm sorry. You actually expected him to follow up on his unfounded debasing? Right. Good luck with that.

[Q]cornell mom Wrote:

My take on the game: If I was Schafer I would tell the team to stay away from the ice till Wednesday, shake off the game, and come back ready to play hockey. They have talent, it just wasn't very evident on Saturday. With just a few exceptions, there was no hunger on the ice.
Just my opinion.
Mom[/q]

I think this is the best take I've seen on the game.

I can't remember who said it first, but I've always liked the quote, "You're never as good as people say you are when you're winning or as bad as people say you are when you're losing."

I guess this is also another reason why I believe that Bill is simply a Dartmouth fan who wanted to get his voice heard on Elynah..

[Q]Beeeej Wrote:

Oat, nothing personal, but I really don't think you're the right person to be challenging someone's authenticity on the basis of their spelling or grammar.

Beeeej[/q]

Haha, I have a good excuse though.. I grew up in Hawaii (and if you've ever been there, it is arguably the worst place to learn English!)

[Q]Oat Wrote:

I guess this is also another reason why I believe that Bill is simply a Dartmouth fan who wanted to get his voice heard on Elynah..[/q]

I think Oat is a Dartmouth fan.

[Q]Liz '05 Wrote:

French Rage Wrote:
The best cheering fans they had had an average age of roughly 12.[/Q]
Hence the "(point to group of noisy 12 yr olds) Good fans! (point to Dartmouth student section) Bad fans!" [/q]

Better yet...

12 year old girls: "Let's Go Dartmouth!"

us: "You won't get in!"