cu 4 - u18 1 - final

o-byrne on the power play ... game tracker is now up..

2 power play goals..

Where do you find the gametracker link? Do you need all access?

click on any gametracker link on uscho (doesn't list our game as having it) then click on scoreboard in the gametracker module to access our game

anyone in ithaca care to chat at #lynah @ irc.warped.net and provide a play by play?

Duh! Thanks.

It's not on the radio, RedAR

ic, thanks.

Does anyone think these lines reported by gametracker are right?

Moulson-Bitz-Sawada
Barlow-Chris Abbott-Carefoot
Cam Abbott-Pegoraro-Scott
Mugford-Kennedy-McCutcheon

d-pairings:
Glover-O'Byrne
Krantz-Gleed
Pokulok-Seminoff

and then they list 4th L and R defensemen as Davenport and Kindret. Kindret's a winger, so I don't know what this tells us.

It seems like the Big Red have dominated the game but the U-18 goalie is standing on his head. Is this accurate?

Hard to tell from what I've seen so far, but based on the two goals, it's pretty clear what the #1 power play unit is:

Moulson-Scott-Bitz
Pokulok-O'Byrne

Moulson with a goal to make it 3-0.

Again, gametracker reporting looks somewhat suspect..Bitz wins the faceoff, and isn't out with his line when Moulson scores? Reports 3 defensemen on the ice..

it will be interesting to see how u-18 does this week vs MSU before mSu gets here next weekend..

Cornell's 4th goal scored by Cam Abbott, assisted by Dan Pegoraro

and with 11 and a half minutes remaining in the 3rd, Chabot is in goal

[Q]pfibiger Wrote:

Does anyone think these lines reported by gametracker are right?

Moulson-Bitz-Sawada
Barlow-Chris Abbott-Carefoot
Cam Abbott-Pegoraro-Scott
Mugford-Kennedy-McCutcheon

d-pairings:
Glover-O'Byrne
Krantz-Gleed
Pokulok-Seminoff

and then they list 4th L and R defensemen as Davenport and Kindret. Kindret's a winger, so I don't know what this tells us.[/q]

In previous seasons, Gametracker's lines have accurately reflected the line sheets. When teams don't dress the standard 12 forwards and six defensemen, however, some translation is needed. I'd guess that the line sheets list Ryan Kindret as an extra forward.

I don't know who was on the ice for the third goal. My theory is that Glover, who got the second assist, went to the bench before the goal was scored. I don't know if the software permits an assist to go to someone who was not on the ice at the time the goal was scored. An alternate theory is that the person inputting the data made a mistake.

empty power play goal ruins the shutout..

Anybody want to translate Gametracker saying we only had two players on the ice for the U-18 goal?

didn't want 'em to feel bad for not scoring?

why would U18 pull the goalie with a powerplay while down 4-0 with 1 min left?

and did they catch us on a line change or something, or is gametracker wrong?

i've said it before and i'll say it again- chabot sucks.

That thought did actually occur to me

Looks like U-18 was up 4 on 3. Gametracker missed one of the three.

Estuvieron en el hielo solamente dos jugadores para Cornell.

Is that what you had in mind?

Cute, Roy.

I'd have one of the operators over here translate it into Korean, but I don't think their English is good enough, never mind their Spanish.

RPI upsets BU, 3-2.

Colgate gets revenge on Army for last year: 6-1 'Gate.

And Holy Cross upsets UMass 3-2. Guess we can't take these AHA schools lightly any more.

BGSU tied OSU - doesn't look like OSU's going to jump over us in the polls this week, but I doubt they'll fall too much, either.

[Q]Jeff Hopkins '82 Wrote:

Guess we can't take these AHA schools lightly any more.



Edited 1 times. Last edit at 10/21/05 09:26PM by Jeff Hopkins '82.[/q]

We all know the real answer is that Hockey Least is living up to their name

[Q]Jeff Hopkins '82 Wrote:

Colgate gets revenge on Army for last year: 6-1 'Gate.

And Holy Cross upsets UMass 3-2. Guess we can't take these AHA schools lightly any more.
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Still wish the ECACHL had taken Holy Cross.

[Q]Al DeFlorio Wrote:

RPI upsets BU, 3-2.[/q]

RPI stealing one for the ECACHL, nice!

Same here.

My sister lives 20 miles north of Worcester. Any excuse for a visit!

Harvard loses to McGill!

[Q]pfibiger Wrote:
...and then they list 4th L and R defensemen as Davenport and Kindret. Kindret's a winger, so I don't know what this tells us.[/q]
In a quick scan of the Gametracker play-by-play, I didn't see any mention of either Kindret or Davenport. Could have been an oversight on my part.

[Q]A-19 Wrote:

why would U18 pull the goalie with a powerplay while down 4-0 with 1 min left?

and did they catch us on a line change or something, or is gametracker wrong?

i've said it before and i'll say it again- chabot sucks.[/q]

Chabot had pretty much no chance on that goal, not his fault at all. It was 5 on 3, he stopped the initial shot and they got the rebound and put it over his leg pad.

The team looked solid tonight. The new lines appeared to be meshing well together, creating a lot of scoring chances. I don't expect this trend to last, but it's still nice to see some definitive offense. I thought both McKee and Chabot played well, though to be fair, they each didn't see a lot of good shots. The Under-18 goalie, Palmer, looked pretty good, despite giving up four goals.

[Q]Jacob '06 Wrote:

Chabot had pretty much no chance on that goal, not his fault at all. It was 5 on 3, he stopped the initial shot and they got the rebound and put it over his leg pad.[/q]

While I agree that he had little chance on that goal, to be fair, it was effectively a 4 on 3. Palmer had just been pulled and the extra attacker had barely made it past center ice when the goal was scored.

[Q]Al DeFlorio Wrote:

Still wish the ECACHL had taken Holy Cross.[/q]

I would have rather seen RIT...actually, I would have rather seen Syracuse get off their butts and start a real program.

Even better, RPI came back from a 2-0 deficit.

what, no ari recap?

[Q]A-19 Wrote:

what, no ari recap?[/q]

Just about to say the same thing...

[Q]A-19 Wrote:

what, no ari recap?[/q]

right, because ARI is the only one eligible to give a recap??

Just a drunk thought.

Sorry a little late. Most of it will be covered in my season preview next week, but my initial thoughts on tonight's game:

- Cornell dressed twenty skaters, 13 forwards, and 7 defensemen. Connors, Salmela, and DiLeo were the only players not dressed for Cornell.
- U18 team was good and certainly better than they were two years ago. Their goaltender particularly impressed me. Could have been 10-0 if he didn't stand on his head like he did.
- Cornell physically dominated as would be expected.
- Sort of an intriguing move having Sawada moved to the top line and Scott moved to the second line. I question the amount of creativity on the top line without Scott and question the lack of size on the second line without Sawada. All the same, the top line was decent tonight and the second line was spectacular.
- Cam Abbott was the best player on the ice. He was spectacular every time he was on the ice and really really dominated.
- First powerplay unit was interesting with O'Byrne up high. You can tell it is going to be very challenging for Moulson to get open. Pokuluk was positioning himself right in the slot which was interesting. Scott was on the first powerplay unit.
- Second unit struggled a bit but I like the look of it with Pegoraro, Krantz, and Barlow at the high part of the umbrella (Sawada and Cam Abbott down low).
- Really like Barlow a lot. He is very dangerous but also mixes it up and definitely doesnt shy away from physical play. I would like to see him play with more offensively gifted linemates. He will be a big offensive producer for this team and will produce THIS year.
- Seminoff and Davenport both dressed and neither saw all that much ice time. Seminoff definitely saw more ice time and played a lot with Pokuluk and I fully expect him to be ahead of Davenport on the depth chart. He isn't at all flashy but is solid.
- Kindret saw very little ice time and did very little when he was out there, but for some reason I like him. I like his size and skating and he kind of reminds me of Knoepfli.
- Kennedy reminds me so much of Iggulden it's scary. He skates pretty well and seems to be pretty aware of what's going on. He'll be the fourth line center for sure.
- I was very surprised to like Mugford as much as I did. He really really impressed. He might just be the ugliest skater I have ever seen but he gets around. He is your ideal 4th liner, works hard every shift and always gets involved in the play. He'll never be a big offensive player but the kind of guy you need to win. I liked him a lot and I think he'll crack the lineup.
- McCutcheon looked pretty good with improved skating but he still got manhandled physically. He got absolutely railed a couple of times but looked decent offensively.
- Sawada looked good but it'll be an adjustment for him playing on an offensive line but was recking people left and right.
- Moulson looked dangerous like usual but didn't get much ice time in the third period because Schafer was trying to look at Kindret I think.


That's all for now. Two part season preview will be out this week with much more detail about every player and the team in general.

[Q]RichH Wrote:
right, because ARI is the only one eligible to give a recap??
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Well, he's the only one who has...

I don't know about the rest of you but I was very disappointed in Pegoraro, he seemed to stand around a lot instead of playing gritty like he did last year. I hope he is not reverting to his sophomore year. Last year he was a pest on the fore-check and he always challenged the opposing player everywhere he skated. Maybe his role has changed, if so that would be unfortunate.

And QU beat AIC...with a second assist by the goalie on one of the goals.

Ari seems to be someone who speaks knowledgeably and even (especially) in an online opinion forum, that counts for a lot. Or, if he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about, Ari does a great job of masking, and either trait is an important life skill.

[Q]Brian Wrote:

I don't know about the rest of you but I was very disappointed in Pegoraro, he seemed to stand around a lot instead of playing gritty like he did last year. I hope he is not reverting to his sophomore year. Last year he was a pest on the fore-check and he always challenged the opposing player everywhere he skated. Maybe his role has changed, if so that would be unfortunate.[/q]

I didn't notice that at all. In fact I recall him harassing a few defensemen and breaking up one or two clearing attempts in the second period. It may have seemed that he was "standing around" b/c Abbott and Scott were the ones fighting along the boards most of the time they were out there. I wouldn't worry about it. He's definitely in physical shape (which was the issue for him sophomore year).

Other thoughts...
I think the Cam-Pegoraro-Scott line was the best line on the ice. They were buzzing all night and generated a ton of scoring opportunities, especially in the second period. I don't think lack of size was at all an issue for them. They did a great job of forechecking and really frustrated the opposing defensemen. I am a little worried about the powerplay, especially as Ari said, Moulson's ability to get open. The opposition really focused in on him; I don't think he got a single open look in the slot. I really liked Schafer moving Sawada to the top line. He played very well. I think he knocked about 6 guys on their asses in his first 3 shifts. His passing was crisp and he set up Moulson on his goal. I am confident Sawada will fill the void Hynes left and provide protection for Moulson. Another player who stood out in my mind was Gleed. He seemed to play with more confidence than I remember. He did a very good job clearing the puck and brought it all the way into the offensive zone a number of times. He also called for the puck a lot and looked to chip in offensively. Although he mishandled a few passes and made a few poor decisions from the point, I was encouraged by his eagerness to get involved. It almost seemed as though he was trying to do to much. Once he settles down a bit I think he'll be one of our more reliable defensemen.

Pokulok has started picking up his physical game. I think that was the one complaint that the capitals had about him, so he might be trying to work on that. It was surprising to see him take 2 penalties right in a row in the first period.

[Q]calgARI '07 Wrote:

Really like Barlow a lot. He is very dangerous but also mixes it up and definitely doesnt shy away from physical play. I would like to see him play with more offensively gifted linemates. He will be a big offensive producer for this team and will produce THIS year.
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Ari, I agree about Barlow playing with more offensively gifted linemates. But, who could Schafer put with him? The one line I could see working would be Barlow-Pegoraro-Sawada. But I don't think Schafer would want to break up the Cam-Pegoraro-Scott line, especially considering their success last night and their experience playing together towards the end of last season. Maybe we could see Barlow with McCutcheon? I think it has been mentioned before that Barlow can also center a line (yet I don't think he's taken a single draw in either the Red-White game or in last nights game). It will be interesting to see what line Barlow is on when all is said and done.

[Q]billhoward Wrote:

Ari seems to be someone who speaks knowledgeably and even (especially) in an online opinion forum, that counts for a lot. Or, if he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about, Ari does a great job of masking, and either trait is an important life skill.[/q]

My post wasn't slamming Ari at all. It was written more as an encouragement for others who were at the game to write recaps as well. After an offseason of discussing the location of corn nuggets in Collegetown, any and all hockey recaps for those of us strewn across the world are very welcome. The posts I responded to made it sound like there's a single correspondent.

Barlow needs to work on getting that higher gear needed to get by a defensemen or atleast induce a penalty, last night there was several opportunities to skate around his man and he was unable to do so. I'm sure it will will happen as he continues to get stronger.

[Q]redhair34 Wrote:

calgARI '07 Wrote:


Really like Barlow a lot. He is very dangerous but also mixes it up and definitely doesnt shy away from physical play. I would like to see him play with more offensively gifted linemates. He will be a big offensive producer for this team and will produce THIS year.
[/Q]
Ari, I agree about Barlow playing with more offensively gifted linemates. But, who could Schafer put with him? The one line I could see working would be Barlow-Pegoraro-Sawada. But I don't think Schafer would want to break up the Cam-Pegoraro-Scott line, especially considering their success last night and their experience playing together towards the end of last season. Maybe we could see Barlow with McCutcheon? I think it has been mentioned before that Barlow can also center a line (yet I don't think he's taken a single draw in either the Red-White game or in last nights game). It will be interesting to see what line Barlow is on when all is said and done. [/q]

Yeah, I understand the issue. With Cam Abbott and Moulson on the left side, Barlow will not be moving up to the top two lines unless there are injuries which can't be ruled out with Abbott's history. He will still get plenty of opportunity quarterbacking the second powerplay and Chris Abbott is a good set up man. Next year with Moulson and Abbott gone, Barlow will get an enormous opportunity and probably be the team's first line left winger. I don't see it as likely at all that Barlow will be moved to the middle with Kennedy already pretty much assured a spot. Not the best idea to have two freshmen centers.