[LAX] Cornell at Brown
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[LAX] Cornell at Brown
Posted by: DeltaOne81 (---.patmedia.net)
Date: April 30, 2005 01:00PM
Well I can't get the Cornell stream up, Real Player isn't even connecting. May be something about the settings where I am right now. Have the free Brown one. Anyone else having Real problems? Or is it just me?
Re: [LAX] Cornell at Brown
Posted by: DeltaOne81 (---.patmedia.net)
Date: April 30, 2005 01:06PM
Boulukos! 1-0 Red
Re: [LAX] Cornell at Brown
Posted by: redhair34 (---.resnet.cornell.edu)
Date: April 30, 2005 01:13PM
Haswell...2-0 Red
Re: [LAX] Cornell at Brown
Posted by: Trotsky (---.frdrmd.adelphia.net)
Date: April 30, 2005 01:20PM
I don't know if it's well-attended or the mic placement, but there's a lot of crowd noise.
Re: [LAX] Cornell at Brown
Posted by: DeltaOne81 (---.patmedia.net)
Date: April 30, 2005 01:22PM
2-2
Re: [LAX] Cornell at Brown
Posted by: redhair34 (---.resnet.cornell.edu)
Date: April 30, 2005 01:22PM
brown scored 2 quick goals...2-2
Re: [LAX] Cornell at Brown
Posted by: redhair34 (---.resnet.cornell.edu)
Date: April 30, 2005 01:24PM
Greenghal scores...3-2 red
Re: [LAX] Cornell at Brown
Posted by: redhair34 (---.resnet.cornell.edu)
Date: April 30, 2005 01:27PM
Brown ties it up with :15 left in the quarter
Re: [LAX] Cornell at Brown
Posted by: redhair34 (---.resnet.cornell.edu)
Date: April 30, 2005 01:35PM
Brown takes the lead...4-3
Re: [LAX] Cornell at Brown
Posted by: redhair34 (---.resnet.cornell.edu)
Date: April 30, 2005 01:46PM
NEE!!...ties it up
Re: [LAX] Cornell at Brown
Posted by: DeltaOne81 (---.patmedia.net)
Date: April 30, 2005 01:48PM
Nee again! Cornell retakes the leads 5-4
Re: [LAX] Cornell at Brown
Posted by: redhair34 (---.resnet.cornell.edu)
Date: April 30, 2005 02:13PM
NEE!!! (3 straight) 6-4 red!
Re: [LAX] Cornell at Brown
Posted by: redhair34 (---.resnet.cornell.edu)
Date: April 30, 2005 02:16PM
Haswell from Clayton...7-4 red
Re: [LAX] Cornell at Brown
Posted by: redhair34 (---.resnet.cornell.edu)
Date: April 30, 2005 02:20PM
HASWELL...8-4
Re: [LAX] Cornell at Brown
Posted by: redhair34 (---.resnet.cornell.edu)
Date: April 30, 2005 02:27PM
Brown scores (finally) 8-5
REDD scores seconds later! 9-5
REDD scores seconds later! 9-5
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Re: [LAX] Cornell at Brown
Posted by: redhair34 (---.resnet.cornell.edu)
Date: April 30, 2005 02:32PM
Brown on the man-up...9-6
Boulukos taking faceoffs and fairing well
Boulukos taking faceoffs and fairing well
Re: [LAX] Cornell at Brown
Posted by: redhair34 (---.resnet.cornell.edu)
Date: April 30, 2005 02:36PM
GLYNN...10-6
Re: [LAX] Cornell at Brown
Posted by: redhair34 (---.resnet.cornell.edu)
Date: April 30, 2005 02:42PM
NEE!! 11-6...3:14 left (plus 1minute man up)
11-6 FINAL
11-6 FINAL
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Re: [LAX] Cornell at Brown
Posted by: jkahn (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: April 30, 2005 03:03PM
Congratulations to the Big Red on the undefeated Ivy season.
Other finals:
Princeton 10 Dartmouth 8
UMass 14 Syracuse 13 (overtime)
Other finals:
Princeton 10 Dartmouth 8
UMass 14 Syracuse 13 (overtime)
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Re: [LAX] Cornell at Brown
Posted by: Josh '99 (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: April 30, 2005 03:21PM
[Q]jkahn Wrote:UMass 14 Syracuse 13 (overtime)[/q]Excellent, always nice to see another DI hockey school doing well. 
Re: [LAX] Cornell at Brown
Posted by: ugarte (---.ny5030.east.verizon.net)
Date: April 30, 2005 08:31PM
[Q]jmh30 Wrote:
jkahn Wrote:UMass 14 Syracuse 13 (overtime)[/Q]
Excellent, always nice to see another DI hockey school doing well.[/q]But it hurts our quality wins.
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Re: [LAX] Cornell at Brown
Posted by: Trotsky (---.frdrmd.adelphia.net)
Date: April 30, 2005 08:43PM
How are we looking in seeding?
Re: [LAX] Cornell at Brown
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: April 30, 2005 08:54PM
[Q]ugarte Wrote:
jmh30 Wrote:
jkahn Wrote:UMass 14 Syracuse 13 (overtime)[/Q]
Excellent, always nice to see another DI hockey school doing well.[/Q]
But it hurts our quality wins.[/q]
And helps UMass vis-a-vis Cornell in the seedings.
Presuming Duke wins the ACC tournament tomorrow, they and Hopkins look like cinches for #1 and #2. That would make #7 and #8 very undesirable seedings. With Maryland's win over UVa added to their high RPI, they are back in the mix for a high seeding.
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Re: [LAX] Cornell at Brown
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.mis.prserv.net)
Date: April 30, 2005 11:30PM
High in the polls, solid record, a couple of early losses that we could probably win now, weak strength of schedule.
Sound familiar?
Expect a 5 or 6 seed unless we slip up with Hobart.
Sound familiar?
Expect a 5 or 6 seed unless we slip up with Hobart.
Potential NCAA seeding
Posted by: ben03 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: May 01, 2005 12:03AM
[Q]Jeff Hopkins '82 Wrote:
High in the polls, solid record, a couple of early losses that we could probably win now, weak strength of schedule.
Sound familiar? Expect a 5 or 6 seed unless we slip up with Hobart.[/q] Our #9 SOS is not -that- bad. if we lose to Hobart then we will surely drop into the #6-8 seeds but if we take care of business then we're solidly in the #3-5 range and definitely no lower than a #5. it should be noted every team that has the potential of jumping us has to play at least one more game against decent competition.
Duke v. Maryland, UMass v. Rutgers, Navy v. Army, G'town v. Rutgers & Penn St. In short ... take care of our own business and Go Duke, Army and Rutgers!!!
High in the polls, solid record, a couple of early losses that we could probably win now, weak strength of schedule.
Sound familiar? Expect a 5 or 6 seed unless we slip up with Hobart.[/q] Our #9 SOS is not -that- bad. if we lose to Hobart then we will surely drop into the #6-8 seeds but if we take care of business then we're solidly in the #3-5 range and definitely no lower than a #5. it should be noted every team that has the potential of jumping us has to play at least one more game against decent competition.
Duke v. Maryland, UMass v. Rutgers, Navy v. Army, G'town v. Rutgers & Penn St. In short ... take care of our own business and Go Duke, Army and Rutgers!!!
As of 4.29.05 LaxPr. Rank Poll Team PWR SOS W- L- T 1 2 Duke 99.90 11 14- 1- 0 2 1 Johns Hopkins 99.78 3 10- 0- 0 3 3 Virginia 98.99 5 9- 3- 0 4 4 Cornell 98.95 9 8- 2- 0 5 10 Maryland 97.64 2 7- 5- 0 6 North Carolina* 97.28 1 5- 8- 0 7 Notre Dame 97.22 13 7- 4- 0 8 8 Massachusetts 97.12 22 10- 2- 0 9 7 Syracuse 96.74 4 7- 4- 0 10 5 Navy 96.27 25 10- 3- 0 11 6 Georgetown 96.18 16 8- 3- 0 12 15 Denver 95.92 26 8- 4- 0 13 12 Towson 95.48 10 9- 3- 0 14 11 Dartmouth 95.13 19 7- 3- 0 15 20 Brown 95.09 17 6- 4- 0 16 Hofstra 94.97 7 7- 7- 0 17 Princeton* 94.72 6 3- 7- 0 18 19 Delaware 94.54 32 9- 4- 0 19 UMBC 94.49 23 6- 7- 0 20 9 Army 94.45 20 11- 3- 0 21 17 Stony Brook 94.25 40 9- 4- 0 22 13 Albany 94.22 27 8- 4- 0 23 14 Bucknell 94.09 37 8- 5- 0 24 Yale 93.99 21 7- 4- 0 25 18 Penn State 93.28 18 8- 5- 0 26 Loyola* 93.19 14 4- 7- 0 27 Villanova 92.95 28 7- 7- 0 28 Harvard 92.76 12 5- 6- 0 29 Ohio State 92.48 24 5- 7- 0 30 16 Fairfield 92.31 36 9- 4- 0 *Ineligible for NCAA tournament selection source: [www.laxpower.com]
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Re: Potential NCAA seeding
Posted by: Josh '99 (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: May 01, 2005 02:58AM
If Hopkins gets anything other than the #1 seed (assuming they beat 4-7 Loyola on Saturday), the lacrosse selection process will officially be stupid.
Re: Potential NCAA seeding
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: May 01, 2005 08:06AM
[Q]ben03 Wrote:
Our #9 SOS is not -that- bad...[/q]
I don't think the committee uses the LaxPower computer rankings to determine SOS. I suspect it's the Wobus RPI, using which ranked us #20 in SOS before the Princeton game. Something tells me playing Princeton (Wobus #28) and Brown (#24) didn't help our SOS much, and I don't think Hobart (#25) will help, either.
Here's the Wobus RPI (NOT the SOS rankings) as of April 30: [www.vaporia.com]
One key question is: of the nine teams ahead of us in the Wobus RPI, how many will they move us past in the seedings? Quality wins will be important here, and our best are Syracuse, Notre Dame, Dartmouth, and Brown. UMass has Syracuse, Georgetown, and Hofstra. Syracuse has Army, Albany, and Brown. Army has Cornell, Hofstra, and Bucknell. Georgetown has Syracuse, Navy, and Delaware. Navy has Maryland, Army (perhaps twice after today), and UNC.
Our #9 SOS is not -that- bad...[/q]
I don't think the committee uses the LaxPower computer rankings to determine SOS. I suspect it's the Wobus RPI, using which ranked us #20 in SOS before the Princeton game. Something tells me playing Princeton (Wobus #28) and Brown (#24) didn't help our SOS much, and I don't think Hobart (#25) will help, either.
Here's the Wobus RPI (NOT the SOS rankings) as of April 30: [www.vaporia.com]
One key question is: of the nine teams ahead of us in the Wobus RPI, how many will they move us past in the seedings? Quality wins will be important here, and our best are Syracuse, Notre Dame, Dartmouth, and Brown. UMass has Syracuse, Georgetown, and Hofstra. Syracuse has Army, Albany, and Brown. Army has Cornell, Hofstra, and Bucknell. Georgetown has Syracuse, Navy, and Delaware. Navy has Maryland, Army (perhaps twice after today), and UNC.
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Re: Potential NCAA seeding
Posted by: peterg (---.com)
Date: May 01, 2005 10:51AM
As of May 1, the Cornell's rating is 11 on Wobus RPI, so the last two games and other results did help quite a bit.
Re: Potential NCAA seeding
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: May 01, 2005 11:22AM
[Q]peterg Wrote:
As of May 1, the Cornell's rating is 11 on Wobus RPI, so the last two games and other results did help quite a bit.[/q]
I was writing about Cornell's strength of schedule, not RPI, as not being helped by playing Princeton and Brown. I think you're confusing the two.
Cornell in fact dropped from 10th to 11th in RPI by beating Brown, while Towson moved up to 10th by losing to Hopkins. But Cornell's strength of schedule is probably still in the 20+ range. Ranking 11th in RPI and 20-something in SOS, and with best wins over Syracuse and Dartmouth--both of whom are fading--combine to put Cornell in a very precarious position in terms of getting a #6 or better seed.
[By the way, Ben, those LaxPower computer rankings use scores and score margins to determine rankings. The Wobus RPI doesn't care if you beat Princeton 9-8 or 17-4.]
As of May 1, the Cornell's rating is 11 on Wobus RPI, so the last two games and other results did help quite a bit.[/q]
I was writing about Cornell's strength of schedule, not RPI, as not being helped by playing Princeton and Brown. I think you're confusing the two.
Cornell in fact dropped from 10th to 11th in RPI by beating Brown, while Towson moved up to 10th by losing to Hopkins. But Cornell's strength of schedule is probably still in the 20+ range. Ranking 11th in RPI and 20-something in SOS, and with best wins over Syracuse and Dartmouth--both of whom are fading--combine to put Cornell in a very precarious position in terms of getting a #6 or better seed.
[By the way, Ben, those LaxPower computer rankings use scores and score margins to determine rankings. The Wobus RPI doesn't care if you beat Princeton 9-8 or 17-4.]
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Re: Potential NCAA seeding
Posted by: peterg (---.com)
Date: May 01, 2005 11:44AM
[Q]Al DeFlorio Wrote:
peterg Wrote:
As of May 1, the Cornell's rating is 11 on Wobus RPI, so the last two games and other results did help quite a bit.[/Q]
I was writing about Cornell's strength of schedule, not RPI, as not being helped by playing Princeton and Brown. I think you're confusing the two.[/q]
Ah yes. SOS and RPI. I hesitate to say it, but if only there was lacrosse PWR or KRACH....
Re: Potential NCAA seeding
Posted by: KeithK (---.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net)
Date: May 01, 2005 01:28PM
Keep in mind that a lax KRACH would be a lot less accurate with some teams playing only 10 or 11 games (Cornell). Sample sizes and all. A lax PWR would suffer from this as well, though it's harder to quantify.
In fact, I'll make a rather radical statement here. The shorter the season is the more it makes sense to have a smoke filled room as opposed to a strict statistical system.
In fact, I'll make a rather radical statement here. The shorter the season is the more it makes sense to have a smoke filled room as opposed to a strict statistical system.
Re: Potential NCAA seeding
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: May 01, 2005 01:43PM
[Q]KeithK Wrote:
Keep in mind that a lax KRACH would be a lot less accurate with some teams playing only 10 or 11 games (Cornell). Sample sizes and all. A lax PWR would suffer from this as well, though it's harder to quantify.
In fact, I'll make a rather radical statement here. The shorter the season is the more it makes sense to have a smoke filled room as opposed to a strict statistical system.[/q]
I agree, Keith. I don't think it's a radical assertion at all.
I'm not convinced a 17-4 win over Princeton isn't worth more than a 9-8 win. Frankly, I rarely disagreed with the NCAA hockey selections and bye assignments in the pre-PWR era. What I am opposed to is naming a champion in a smoke-filled room, as was done in college lacrosse prior to 1971.
Keep in mind that a lax KRACH would be a lot less accurate with some teams playing only 10 or 11 games (Cornell). Sample sizes and all. A lax PWR would suffer from this as well, though it's harder to quantify.
In fact, I'll make a rather radical statement here. The shorter the season is the more it makes sense to have a smoke filled room as opposed to a strict statistical system.[/q]
I agree, Keith. I don't think it's a radical assertion at all.
I'm not convinced a 17-4 win over Princeton isn't worth more than a 9-8 win. Frankly, I rarely disagreed with the NCAA hockey selections and bye assignments in the pre-PWR era. What I am opposed to is naming a champion in a smoke-filled room, as was done in college lacrosse prior to 1971.
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Re: Potential NCAA seeding
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.mis.prserv.net)
Date: May 01, 2005 04:15PM
Navy stomps Army 15-8. Not good news for our stats.
Re: Potential NCAA seeding
Posted by: ben03 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: May 01, 2005 04:21PM
[Q]Al DeFlorio Wrote:
I was writing about Cornell's strength of schedule, not RPI, as not being helped by playing Princeton and Brown. I think you're confusing the two.
Cornell in fact dropped from 10th to 11th in RPI by beating Brown, while Towson moved up to 10th by losing to Hopkins. But Cornell's strength of schedule is probably still in the 20+ range. Ranking 11th in RPI and 20-something in SOS, and with best wins over Syracuse and Dartmouth--both of whom are fading--combine to put Cornell in a very precarious position in terms of getting a #6 or better seed.
[By the way, Ben, those LaxPower computer rankings use scores and score margins to determine rankings. The Wobus RPI doesn't care if you beat Princeton 9-8 or 17-4.]
[/q]
fair enough. i just played the game and never really looked into the numbers behind the rankings.
I was writing about Cornell's strength of schedule, not RPI, as not being helped by playing Princeton and Brown. I think you're confusing the two.
Cornell in fact dropped from 10th to 11th in RPI by beating Brown, while Towson moved up to 10th by losing to Hopkins. But Cornell's strength of schedule is probably still in the 20+ range. Ranking 11th in RPI and 20-something in SOS, and with best wins over Syracuse and Dartmouth--both of whom are fading--combine to put Cornell in a very precarious position in terms of getting a #6 or better seed.
[By the way, Ben, those LaxPower computer rankings use scores and score margins to determine rankings. The Wobus RPI doesn't care if you beat Princeton 9-8 or 17-4.]
[/q]
fair enough. i just played the game and never really looked into the numbers behind the rankings.
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Re: Potential NCAA seeding
Posted by: ben03 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: May 01, 2005 07:32PM
The Terps 9-5 upset of #2 Duke in the ACC final today, coming just two days after upsetting #3 Virginia 8-7 in overtime, will make the quest for a high seed even more difficult for the Red. See story here: [www.insidelacrosse.com]
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Re: [LAX] Cornell at Brown
Posted by: Jordan 04 (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: May 01, 2005 08:55PM
I just hope the committee doesn't screw us and send us out West!!
Re: [LAX] Cornell at Brown
Posted by: French Rage (---.Stanford.EDU)
Date: May 01, 2005 09:24PM
[Q]Jordan 04 Wrote:
I just hope the committee doesn't screw us and send us out West!![/q]
Damn Olympic sized lacrosse fields!
I just hope the committee doesn't screw us and send us out West!![/q]
Damn Olympic sized lacrosse fields!
Re: Potential NCAA seeding
Posted by: Hillel Hoffmann (---.chesnh01.pa.comcast.net)
Date: May 01, 2005 10:16PM
I'm totally won over by this team, and no longer care that much about where they'll be sent, how they'll be seeded or who they'll play. They're so singleminded it's almost creepy.
It does make me nervous that they could end up playing on the road in the first round.
But if they win in their first round game, I don't think it will make a huge difference who they play in the quarterfinals. Cornell can play with any of the top teams, Hopkins included. Don't discount the value of Cornell's playoff experience. Think how much more tournament mileage Cornell's upperclassmen have than Duke's, for example. Going "north" or "south" in the quarterfinals doesn't matter much either. Sure, it would be nice to play a little bit closer to CU's fan base, but Cornell will be a little more familiar with -- and perhaps better suited for -- the Johns Hopkins venue. The "north" quarters will be held on the grass at Princeton Stadium, not the turf at Class of '52. This team has never played there before, whereas the current seniors nearly upset Virginia at the 2002 quarters at Homewood. I think these guys are better on turf too.
It does make me nervous that they could end up playing on the road in the first round.
But if they win in their first round game, I don't think it will make a huge difference who they play in the quarterfinals. Cornell can play with any of the top teams, Hopkins included. Don't discount the value of Cornell's playoff experience. Think how much more tournament mileage Cornell's upperclassmen have than Duke's, for example. Going "north" or "south" in the quarterfinals doesn't matter much either. Sure, it would be nice to play a little bit closer to CU's fan base, but Cornell will be a little more familiar with -- and perhaps better suited for -- the Johns Hopkins venue. The "north" quarters will be held on the grass at Princeton Stadium, not the turf at Class of '52. This team has never played there before, whereas the current seniors nearly upset Virginia at the 2002 quarters at Homewood. I think these guys are better on turf too.
Re: Potential NCAA seeding
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (---.no.no.cox.net)
Date: May 01, 2005 10:56PM
[Q]KeithK Wrote:
Keep in mind that a lax KRACH would be a lot less accurate with some teams playing only 10 or 11 games (Cornell). Sample sizes and all. A lax PWR would suffer from this as well, though it's harder to quantify.
In fact, I'll make a rather radical statement here. The shorter the season is the more it makes sense to have a smoke filled room as opposed to a strict statistical system.[/q]
The problem is that given the lax criteria, the smoke in that room is probably from a crack pipe.
Keep in mind that a lax KRACH would be a lot less accurate with some teams playing only 10 or 11 games (Cornell). Sample sizes and all. A lax PWR would suffer from this as well, though it's harder to quantify.
In fact, I'll make a rather radical statement here. The shorter the season is the more it makes sense to have a smoke filled room as opposed to a strict statistical system.[/q]
The problem is that given the lax criteria, the smoke in that room is probably from a crack pipe.
Re: Potential NCAA seeding - faux grass for Palmer Stadium
Posted by: billhoward (---.union01.nj.comcast.net)
Date: May 01, 2005 11:22PM
The new Princeton (nee Palmer) Stadium will be getting artificial turf, I heard, to increase its desirability as a venue for major events. The stadium was built to be integrated into daily campus life but only gets used 6-10 times a year for football and a couple special events like this. But it's not going to happen, obviously, before the playoffs. With a 30,000 capacity, Princeton could even bid for the NCAA lax championships.
Potential first round games
Posted by: Hillel Hoffmann (---.usb.temple.edu)
Date: May 04, 2005 12:29PM
It's FAR too early to make a reliable forecast about Cornell's potential first-round opponents. But given the current Ratings Percentage Index scene, the likely winners of the remaining unclaimed AQs, the fact that only the top eight teams are seeded, and the selection committee's desire to create geographically "natural" matchups (like last year's Hobart at Cornell playoff game), it's starting to look like Cornell's most likely opponent in the first round on the weekend of May 14-15 will be Syracuse, Army, or Albany. The key, in some ways, is the presence of only two New England teams -- one likely to be seeded (Massachusetts), another that should end up unseeded (Dartmouth). They're a good bet to play each other in the first round. Although Albany and Army might also be considered logical choices to be sent to Amherst to play Massachusetts, that would leave Dartmouth "unpaired." In the recent past, the selection committee only breaks up "natural" geographic first-round pairings when the first, second, or third seed needs cannon fodder, such as the inevitable shipment of this year's Metro Atlantic AQ winner to Baltimore to play top-seeded Johns Hopkins. If Cornell loses to Hobart on Friday, it's quite possible that Cornell will end up unseeded -- in which case their first round game might be a rematch with Army at West Point.
Edit: Although I consider it unlikely, there is a chance that Dartmouth could end up seeded...that would shake things up.
Edit: Although I consider it unlikely, there is a chance that Dartmouth could end up seeded...that would shake things up.
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Re: Potential first round games
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: May 04, 2005 02:48PM
[Q]Hillel Hoffmann Wrote:
But given the current Ratings Percentage Index scene, the likely winners of the remaining unclaimed AQs, the fact that only the top eight teams are seeded, and the selection committee's desire to create geographically "natural" matchups (like last year's Hobart at Cornell playoff game), it's starting to look like Cornell's most likely opponent in the first round on the weekend of May 14-15 will be Syracuse, Army, or Albany. The key, in some ways, is the presence of only two New England teams -- one likely to be seeded (Massachusetts), another that should end up unseeded (Dartmouth). They're a good bet to play each other in the first round.[/q]
I think Hillel's right. I'm guessing a Syracuse or Army rematch, and I hope at Schoellkopf.
Read on the LaxPower Forum that Tierney's on the NCAA committee this year. He should have a pretty fair appreciation of what Cornell can do--wouldn't you think?
But given the current Ratings Percentage Index scene, the likely winners of the remaining unclaimed AQs, the fact that only the top eight teams are seeded, and the selection committee's desire to create geographically "natural" matchups (like last year's Hobart at Cornell playoff game), it's starting to look like Cornell's most likely opponent in the first round on the weekend of May 14-15 will be Syracuse, Army, or Albany. The key, in some ways, is the presence of only two New England teams -- one likely to be seeded (Massachusetts), another that should end up unseeded (Dartmouth). They're a good bet to play each other in the first round.[/q]
I think Hillel's right. I'm guessing a Syracuse or Army rematch, and I hope at Schoellkopf.
Read on the LaxPower Forum that Tierney's on the NCAA committee this year. He should have a pretty fair appreciation of what Cornell can do--wouldn't you think?
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Re: Potential first round games
Posted by: ugarte (---.cisco.com)
Date: May 04, 2005 04:04PM
[Q]Al DeFlorio Wrote:
Hillel Hoffmann Wrote:
But given the current Ratings Percentage Index scene, the likely winners of the remaining unclaimed AQs, the fact that only the top eight teams are seeded, and the selection committee's desire to create geographically "natural" matchups (like last year's Hobart at Cornell playoff game), it's starting to look like Cornell's most likely opponent in the first round on the weekend of May 14-15 will be Syracuse, Army, or Albany. The key, in some ways, is the presence of only two New England teams -- one likely to be seeded (Massachusetts), another that should end up unseeded (Dartmouth). They're a good bet to play each other in the first round.[/Q]
I think Hillel's right. I'm guessing a Syracuse or Army rematch, and I hope at Schoellkopf.
Read on the LaxPower Forum that Tierney's on the NCAA committee this year. He should have a pretty fair appreciation of what Cornell can do--wouldn't you think?[/q]I am assuming that the reason an Albany matchup is unlikely is that you assume that the Great Danes will be sent to play a higher seeded team. Correct?
I don't recall my two colleges ever playing each other in anything (though I assume it has happened).
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Re: Potential first round games
Posted by: Hillel Hoffmann (---.usb.temple.edu)
Date: May 04, 2005 04:49PM
[Q]ugarte Wrote: I am assuming that the reason an Albany matchup is unlikely is that you assume that the Great Danes will be sent to play a higher seeded team. Correct? ... I don't recall my two colleges ever playing each other in anything (though I assume it has happened).[/q]
The Danes' early win over Massachusetts, a team that's currently in the top 10 in the RPI, is a valuable chip. That makes Albany a pretty good candidate for an at-large bid -- and, of course, they could still win their conference's AQ (they're leading Binghamton in the AE semi at the moment). However, there is little chance that the Danes could earn a seed (1-8) and thus a home game in the NCAA tournament.
The eight remaining unseeded teams in the tournament field will be sent to play seeded teams based primarily on proximity. The NCAA wants to reduce travel time and increase crowds. The selection committee often breaks with this directive and sends unseeded teams on long trips -- but usually only to send a wimpy AQ team (like the Metro Atlantic winner) to play a very high seed, or when there are far-flung teams (like Denver or Duke) for whom it's hard to find a suitable geographic match.
Cornell is more likely to play Army or Syracuse, but I wouldn't be shocked to see the Danes in Ithaca, particularly if the selection committee gives disproportionate weight to wins over RPI top 10 teams. That would put Albany right up there with Delaware and Bucknell and the like ... and perhaps keep them from being classified as cannon fodder for Virginia or some such.
And you're right, Albany has never played Cornell in lacrosse. The program just hasn't been around that long.
The Danes' early win over Massachusetts, a team that's currently in the top 10 in the RPI, is a valuable chip. That makes Albany a pretty good candidate for an at-large bid -- and, of course, they could still win their conference's AQ (they're leading Binghamton in the AE semi at the moment). However, there is little chance that the Danes could earn a seed (1-8) and thus a home game in the NCAA tournament.
The eight remaining unseeded teams in the tournament field will be sent to play seeded teams based primarily on proximity. The NCAA wants to reduce travel time and increase crowds. The selection committee often breaks with this directive and sends unseeded teams on long trips -- but usually only to send a wimpy AQ team (like the Metro Atlantic winner) to play a very high seed, or when there are far-flung teams (like Denver or Duke) for whom it's hard to find a suitable geographic match.
Cornell is more likely to play Army or Syracuse, but I wouldn't be shocked to see the Danes in Ithaca, particularly if the selection committee gives disproportionate weight to wins over RPI top 10 teams. That would put Albany right up there with Delaware and Bucknell and the like ... and perhaps keep them from being classified as cannon fodder for Virginia or some such.
And you're right, Albany has never played Cornell in lacrosse. The program just hasn't been around that long.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/04/2005 04:52PM by Hillel Hoffmann.
Re: Potential first round games
Posted by: ugarte (---.cisco.com)
Date: May 04, 2005 04:59PM
[Q]Hillel Hoffmann Wrote:And you're right, Albany has never played Cornell in lacrosse. The program just hasn't been around that long.[/q]I actually googled this one myself and found a women's volleyball match. Cornell played in a tournament that SUNYA hosted.
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