Attempting to retrieve the cowbell

I am attempting to retrieve the cowbell, from Ithaca.

Based on what I have read on USCHO, the confiscation of our cowbell was simply ridiculous. Ari never played it during play of the game (of course.) The OSU band --did--play during action. Ari, etc. was told that OSU's bell was not confiscated --because-- it was being played by the band. I am attempting to get the bell turned over to someone in the band. Then Ari can just go to where the band is, and play it from there.

I called the University of Minnesota police department. After quite a bit of checking around, with various people, they are quite sure thay it was rink security, (people dressed in red jackets), that confiscated the bell, as there is no police report about it. If this is the case, it is likely to be in the ticket office.

The police gave me a number for the ticket office, but it won't open until 1:30 eastern time. In the meantime, the police dispatcher is trying to find a number to Mariucci security for me. I am to call her back shortly.

At this point I am looking for two or three things, from people here:

1) Confirmation from someone who was there that the bell was taken by people in red jackets (security) as opposed to blue uniformed police.

2) A way to contact Ari or Lauren Forconi, the pep band manager. (Cell phone number, hotel number, etc.)

3) An attorney, willing to get on the phone if I reach the right people, but fail to convince them that they should return the bell. (A call from an attorney may carry more weight.)

I am pretty optimistic at this point, as the police dispatcher really seemed anxious to help. She also spoke to the officer who will be in charge at Mariucci today, via radio, while I was on the phone with her. I could actually see the police directing security to return the bell.

Feel free to e-mail me at ajw4@cornell.edu with any of the info or help that I can use, if you don't want to post contact information on the forum. E-mail is definitely preferable to private messages on here, as I don't always notice that I have a new private message.

Thanks.
Andy W.

From [elf.elynah.com] :

[Q]calgARI '07 Wrote:

Age did the cowbell yesterday so it was his that was taken. I will bring mine today and give it to him. [/q]

So you might catch Ari checking the board.

Can you, say, buy a cowbell cheaper than hiring a lawyer, and hand it (cowbell) over to the pep band to walk in the rink?

Looks as if Minnesota is trying to stretch its home ice advantage.

Good luck. The band sounded good.

In reading what has happened, I think I won't bring mine today just because it would seem useless if they are just going to take it coming in anyways.

[Q]andyw2100 Wrote:

2) A way to contact Ari or Lauren Forconi, the pep band manager. (Cell phone number, hotel number, etc.)
[/q]

I can get your Lauren's cell phone number, I'll email it to your shortly as soon as I dig it up...

[Q]billhoward Wrote:

Can you, say, buy a cowbell cheaper than hiring a lawyer, and hand it (cowbell) over to the pep band to walk in the rink? [/q]

If you read some of the posts in one of the other threads, it looked like the people on site in Minnesota were not having any luck in finding a cowbell.

And I wasn't talking about "hiring" a lawyer, but rather having one who participates here possibly make a phone call, pro bono.

It looks like they may have things covered now, with a back up bell. I did not know that when I started this. Even so, it would be nice to know that it will not be confiscated from them again. Clearly if we establish that the first one should never have been taken in the first place, and, in fact, get it returned, they will not attempt a second confiscation.
Andy W.

Good work, Andy. Get that cowbell back!

The latest update is that a Sergeant from the police department is going to check the ticket office for the bell, and then call me.
Andy W.

Ari--Please check your e-mail.
Andy W.

Here's the sccop.

In the past 15 minutes I have spoken to

a) Jan Allen-Mariucci security
b) Connie-Police Dispatcher
c) Sergeant Reineke-Police officer in Mariucci today

My conversation with Jan Allen was somewhat frustrating. She said the first she had heard of the whole cowbell issue was when five Cornell fans showed up at her door last night, irate about the bell being taken. She said we were rude. (That does not surprise me, in light of the situation. I'm sure the five people were outraged.)

I learned from Ms. Allen that originally red-jacketed security had tried to confiscate the bell, but that we refused to give it to them. At that point, a police officer intervened and took it. That is all she knew.

I tried to discuss what would happen if the band had the cowbell today. She says that she doesn't think it is a musical instrument. But she also said that she thought that if the band had it, it would not be taken away.

Next I followed up with Connie, since it now seemed the police did have the bell. Connie had done much research in the last hour. She had looked up the cowbell and cornell hockey online, and when I said something about only two people having played the bell in the last ten years or so, and both of them having been there last night, she said, "The one who is supposed to have the bell now is Ari Baum." Not sure where she found that, but I was impressed.

She also had learned that a police officer took the bell. And she learned that he had returned it to a Cornell fan who asked for it after the game. The Cornell fan said he (or she?) would get it back to the original owner. (Age, I imagine.)

I asked Connie if we could be reasonably certain that no one would try to confiscate the bell today, as long as it was with the band. She said that she would have Sergeant Reineke call me.

Sergeant Reineke called, and said that he had spoken with the rink manager, and learned that cowbells are not permitted. When I asked if that applied to cowbells brought in by the band, he did not know. He did not think there was any good way for me to get in touch with the rink manager.

So...here's the bottom line.

1) A Cornell fan has Age's bell. Hopefully it will be given to him, if it hasn't been already.
2) If the pep band brings Age's or Ari's bell into the rink, and if Age or Ari play it from the middle of the band, it is highly unlikely that it will be taken away.
3) If it is taken away again, it should be relatively easy to get it back.

Based on this, Ari should definitely bring his bell, and have someone from the band hold it for him.

Can someone e-mail me Ari's cell-phone number? How about Age's?

I plan to call Lauren Forconi now.

Thanks!
Andy W.

[Q]andyw2100 Wrote:

Can someone e-mail me Ari's cell-phone number? How about Age's?
[/q]

Just sent by private message

I've left messages for Lauren, Ari, and Age. Hopefully one or more cowbells will make it into Mariucci today, and will be played, without incident.

Let's Go Red!
Andy W.

[Q]andyw2100 Wrote:
My conversation with Jan Allen was somewhat frustrating. She said the first she had heard of the whole cowbell issue was when five Cornell fans showed up at her door last night, irate about the bell being taken. She said we were rude. (That does not surprise me, in light of the situation. I'm sure the five people were outraged.)
[/q]

We started with rink security who was utterly useless and then moved on to her. She also was utterly useless and very uncooperative. We got rude at this point, but we certainly weren't at first.

[q]2) If the pep band brings Age's or Ari's bell into the rink, and if Age or Ari play it from the middle of the band, it is highly unlikely that it will be taken away.[/q]
You'd think so. Except they kept changing their story to suit their needs. I did the cowbell with the band in the second period, but this time rink staff came with four police officers to retrieve the cowbell. Depending who you asked, it was because I wansn't part of the band, not wearing a band uniform (even though a bunch of them weren't either), violated the "instrument" limit, or one of several other excuses. Anyway, they got it again and returned it to the band after the game.

Anyway, thanks to everyone who helped out here and in Ithaca. I'm eternally grateful for the support. Thanks to the band for taking over in the third. They sounded great this weekend.

And fuck Minnesota and The John's staff. "Minnesota nice" is a figment of someone's imagination. May I never return.

That sucks. I wonder how they would've treated BU's cowbell, which is (or at least used to be) played by an actual band member.

Not that it helped, but someone played the "cowbell" (substituting a glass) at Ship of Fools in NYC -- pretty well, as a matter of fact.

have you gotten your cowbell back yet? we know the someone saying they were a cornell fan asked for it by i just saw this [www.gopherpucklive.com]

In the words of one MN fan, "WE HAVE THIER COW-BELL"... so, I don't know where we can go from here....

Subpoena the gopherpucklive website to get the guy's contact information. If there's an attorney CU fan willing to do this pro-bono, I'm sure he can scare the thing back into Age's hands with not too much effort, and make it less likely the rink staff there will pull that kind of crap in the future.

Kyle

I did get the cowbell back after the game (via the band).

Someone should write the NCAA.

If that is how a host institution is going to act, perhaps they should not be allowed to be a host institution, particularly if they aren't going to follow the rules, or bend them to their own benefit.....

Why not? We've been writing enough letters recently.

I plan on writing one to thank Altitude.

The contacts for the D-I Championships on NCAA.org are
[www.ncaa.org]
[www.ncaa.org]

If you do want to do that, I dunno, it could easily been seen as sour grapes, but I don't think it is. But do your damndest to make sure it doesn't come away as anything about the loss, just about the respect that should be shown to visiting fans and their traditions, as long as they aren't violating any NCAA laws or decency standards.

Do you really think the NC$$ is going to care about this? While it is pretty pathetic of the Mariucci staff to act like this it's not like they did something that directly affected the game. The folks in Indianapolis aren't concerned about stuff like this unless they think it will hurt the brand, which this situation certainly will not. The NC$$ is probably very happy with the West Regional, because they sold a lot of tickets.

Writing a letter might be cathartic, but just don't kid yourself into thinking that it will make a damn bit of difference.

I say next time Cornell plays Minnesota at Mariucci (though it may take a decade or two), every single Faithful in attendance brings a cowbell, but only plays it during stoppages of play. Then we'll see what happens.

So what was the outcome? Did everyone who brought cowbells now have them back?

To quote the North Dakota fan behind me when I explained to her what was happening during Sunday's game, with three police officers and a rink staffer over in our section: "Oh, jesus. I thought it was something serious. Like they had drugs or something."



And a few more at: [pg.photos.yahoo.com]

Sorry for the generally crappy quality. After 4 years, it's time to replace my long outdated digital camera.

Ha! I love photo P3270023! The poor cop looks absolutely defeated..."Man, I wish I could go sit on the other side of the ice where it's quiet" or maybe he is realizing that you were taking a photo and that he would go down in Cornell lore.

Is three stripes a sergeant? I probably shouldn't but I actually feel sorry for him.

[Q]atb9 Wrote:
Is three stripes a sergeant? I probably shouldn't but I actually feel sorry for him.[/q]

"What's 3 up and 3 down mean to you, soldier?!?"
"end of an inning?"

You were right and smart to have taken photos during the incident.

Glad to hear that the cowbell is back in the good guy's possession. We on the West Coast almost took up a collection for a replacement cowbell on Sunday.

[Q]CU at Stanford Wrote:

Glad to hear that the cowbell is back in the good guy's possession. We on the West Coast almost took up a collection for a replacement cowbell on Sunday. [/q]

How much does a cowbell cost, anyway?

Biggest waste of three cops EVAR!!! Did anyone catch the older man getting escorted out after sunday's incedent? What was the story with that?

Depends on the size of the bell. Can go up to $30-$40. Our summer swim team has used them for years to encourage the kids during their races. One rival team makes a point to try to steal them. Pathetic to see it at this level.

If worse came to worse, I have a relative lives about 30 min. from Minneapolis and raises longhorns for a hobby. I was prepared to call him to see whether Age could borrow one for the day. (A bell that is. )

Hey, Pep made the trip! Dunbar's West!

They are not cheap. I have a few small ones from bicycle races (imprinted with Saturn and T-Mobile logos), as cowbells are popular among the Europeans at bike races. Of course, you should see the real cowbells they bring from their farms. But the kind Age uses will probably run $25-50 easily, depending quality and size.

[Q]duffs4 Wrote: Biggest waste of three cops EVAR!!! Did anyone catch the older man getting escorted out after sunday's incedent? What was the story with that?[/q]Well, you might mean me, although I wouldn't say escorted out. It was interesting however.
I came to the top of the stairs when I saw the ruckus and was not quite escorted out when the police got finished with Age.

Let me go back to my beginning (of this, not of my life). At the end of Saturday's game we were all milling around trying to solve the problem. The rink staff were totally unhelpful, as previously described. I was with my roommate and a student sitting next to us. As luck would have it, he walked out and saw a policeman and described what happened. The policeman then said, "You mean this cowbell?" and proceeded to show him the bell. He eventually gave him the bell, but it could not be played outside of the band.

When I got to the rink Sunday, the student gave me the bell, and I gave it back to Age. However we were not going to play it without getting permission. I went to three security guards before getting someone who knew someone that might give us permission, or say no. That person was to come to our section to talk about it. Unfortunately, after waiting over five minutes without anyone showing up, I had to leave, but Age stayed behind with a rink person waiting for our contact. We had been told that it was against NCAA regs to use any noisemakers except with the band. It was implied, but not yet approved that it could be played, if done with the band. I don't know what the final conversation was with Age, but hope he can shed some light on that.

When I heard that the police were again coming for it, I again went to the section to see the police "talking" to Age, and eventually getting the cowbell, I believe from the band where it was being kept. They continued to interogate Age, so I started to chant "crimestoppers, crimestoppers. ...". That was after I yelled down to strip search him. The police then turned their attention to me. One came up the stairs, grabbed my jersey, and shoved me against the wall. With his face no more than two inches from mine, he began to ask me if I had a problem with him trying to enforce the law (wow)? After asking the question over and over, without letting me reply, the rink security guy (I believe he was the head man) also asked what my problem was and actually let me speak. All this time the policeman was pinning me to the wall. After telling him all the effort we went through to try and get permission, and do it right, I thought they didn't need to come on with such intimidating force, as it was only going to make things worse, not better. He told me he had to bring all of the policemen, I believe there were four, for his own safety. Ha, ha. I don't remember exactly what was said next, but they let go of me and left.

Needless to say the whole incident on their part was about intimidation. It would have been easy to ask who was the band director and manager, and who might have been there from the university. Someone could certainly have pointed out Sue Detzer or someone from the AD's office who could have resolved the whole thing themselves. I can't believe that any of us who wanted to play the bell, would not have complied with Sue telling us that only a band member could do it, and we had to give up the bell.

Sorry for the long post, but I'm in the process of writing a letter to the president of U of MN, their AD, and the police about the whole thing. I guess by writing this I've about done my letter. I just need to know from Age what was said before the game about the bell, get a few names and addresses, and off goes the letter.

I'll also say that as a product of college in the 60's, I am very sensitive to police intimidation and how much more can be accomplished by trying to talk reasonably first. However, when you bring in four policemen, maybe it was only three with the rink security guy, to try and stop a cowbell from playing, you have got your priorities all screwed up.

Well, there's Minnesota nice for ya.
I cannot believe the childish pettiness of the upper management at Mariucci, but is surely something I'm sure that all the "nice" Minnesotans take pride in.

To complete Jim's story above....

[q]I went to three security guards before getting someone who knew someone that might give us permission, or say no. That person was to come to our section to talk about it. Unfortunately, after waiting over five minutes without anyone showing up, I had to leave, but Age stayed behind with a rink person waiting for our contact. We had been told that it was against NCAA regs to use any noisemakers except with the band. It was implied, but not yet approved that it could be played, if done with the band. I don't know what the final conversation was with Age, but hope he can shed some light on that. [/q]
The guy (in other places on the forum referred to as green shirt man) did come by eventually, and he spoke with me about the issue. His opening line to me was "Look, I don't mean to be an ass about this, but...", the warning sign of the century. He said that it was all right for the cowbell to be played as long as we didn't do so inappropriately. I asked him flat out what he defined as inappropriate, and he gave me no answer, presumably to leave himself some wiggle room in case he decided to take action against the cowbell later. So I gave him some suggestions... banging the cowbell during play? Oh, yes, that's inappropriate. How about if our guy plays it once during a stoppage in the second period and once during a stoppage in the third? Well, that'll be fine. I thought at that point that the troubles were over. Age came up and stood with the band in the middle of the second period, and played his riff without incident.

Then came the second intermission, where I was approached by the four uniformed officers mentioned above. They demanded to know who was playing the cowbell and where he was keeping it. (For some additional background, at the beginning of the game, the old lady usher in charge of section 2 had come over to the band pointing and squawking about how we were hiding the cowbell in some newspapers... I'd set it on our pile of newspapers before the game so that it wouldn't get dinged on the concrete floor. Fortunately, green shirt man didn't seem to care about what she was saying.) The officer was not happy with any answers I gave to any of his questions about the cowbell, straightforward or evasive. He pissed and moaned about how he'd had to worry about this damn cowbell all weekend (to which I think... well whose fault is that?) and that he was just going to take it away so he wouldn't have to negotiate logistics with us. I asked him why he couldn't just ask Age to not play the cowbell rather than take it away and got no answer, as he was already in the process of storming down toward him as Jim described.

I followed him down about halfway, then asked him what the big deal was. He said it was against NCAA regulations to have more than 25 people with instruments at an event. The rink manager had never once mentioned this to me as a problem--much less THE problem--when we talked about it before. I asked about giving the cowbell to one of our percussionists, at which point I was rebuffed and bluntly told that we'd given the police too much of a runaround to bother asking for concessions anymore, and that I'd be given back the cowbell at the end of the game if I went to the stairwell at the far end of the rink. Happily, this happened as promised, and the cowbell is back in Age's possession.

Absolutely insane.

Jim-

Copy your letter to the Cornell AD and president as well as the NCAA as long as you are writing the thing.

Is it safe to assume that the cowbell was played without incident in Buffalo and Providence in 2003 and in Albany in 2002?

Clearly the only solution is to abandon the cowbell tradition and replace it with a cheerleading squad.

Not to mention every other visiting rink we've been to through the regular season for what, a decade? Well, okay, maybe not 'incident free', but other than Age getting in trouble for throwing a hat or two, I can't recall too many incidents

[Q]DeltaOne81 Wrote:

Not to mention every other visiting rink we've been to through the regular season for what, a decade? Well, okay, maybe not 'incident free', but other than Age getting in trouble for throwing a hat or two, I can't recall too many incidents [/q]

Yeah, but those weren't NCAA events where there is an anal-retentive rulebook about how many bandmembers, mascots, and cheerleaders can be in your travel party.

One thing to not is that in the WCHA, visiting teams are not allowed to bring bands to regular season games. So the Mariiucci staff probably needed a special briefing on there being a band there at all, and took the NCAA rules on the subject a little too literally.

Actually, most of the rest of my conversation with her was about their other pet peeve: Canadians.

Basically she said if it was played up with the pep band, it would be ok. Then she went on to ask what it was used for. It seemed like a simple enough explanation, but she had some trouble grasping it. Eventually, her synopsis was, "That sounds kind of farmish." I pointed out that Cornell was partly a state ag school, which really shocked her. Her next reply was, "You sure have a lot of Canadians for an ag school." So I asked if she felt they weren't entitled to educations, as well. Next rebuttal: "Well you're paying for their educations." You know what's next. No scholarships, Ivy League, yadda, yadda. Then she said something like, "But Texas A&M offers scholarships!" And my brain fell out.

wtf - I guess that would make sense as to Minny fans getting pissed when the band played after they scored a goal. (their rouser). Get over it. Where did you hear that they don't allow visiting bands? That sucks.

I, too, want to thank all the Big Red (especially the band) for going to Mariucci. Being immersed in our section 2, it felt just like any other away game (but in a better arena). Normally, it seemed we were louder than them, except for maybe 1 or 2 points.
I don't get why they warned two or 3 guys about flags and let them keep them, but just take the cowbell when they see fit.
As part of this saga (being the guy who sat next to Jim Hyla), I found it all to be ridiculous. But - we saw 3 good games, great goaltending, and Mitch's shorthander (awesome!!!).
As far as the reffing is concerned, I didn't disagree with our penalties, they just should have called it more down the line, (we only had 3 PPs), and where was the whistle for O'Byrne and company at the end of the game? It was probably tied up for a good 30 seconds without a whistle.
Stupid scorekeeper, giving Minny shots for everything that McKee touched, and not giving us shots for anything.
Be well, and LGR
dave '02

[Q]CowbellGuy Wrote:

Then she went on to ask what it was used for. It seemed like a simple enough explanation, but she had some trouble grasping it. Eventually, her synopsis was, "That sounds kind of farmish." I pointed out that Cornell was partly a state ag school, which really shocked her.[/q]

I guess someone forgot to tell her that the University of Minnesota has an ag school as well: [www.coafes.umn.edu]

(If she's going to complain about anything being "farmish", she should take a look in her own backyard first.)

[Q]CowbellGuy Wrote:
"That sounds kind of farmish." I pointed out that Cornell was partly a state ag school[/q]

Although the cowbell tradition was brought to Cornell by a hotelie if I'm not mistaken...

Oh, one other thing I forgot. After all this, she saw the folded and rolled-up Canadian flag in my hand and asked what it was. I told her it was a flag and she said they're not permitted. I asked politely if I could just hang on to it but not use it. She said that was fine, but if I did, I would be thrown out. I said ok, but noted that there were a lot of Minnesota people with flags and would hate to see a double-standard being applied. She replied with the usual party line about all the rink staff being told to pay extra attention to it but that they can't catch everyone.

The same double-standard applied regarding re-entry into the rink between periods. I wanted to step outside for a minute between one of the period breaks of Sunday's game, but at the bottom of the escalator was prompty told I could no go anywhere, or I would be denied entry back into the rink.

I squeezed (like blood out of a stone) some "generosity" out of the rink security kid, and was allowed to wander around the lobby behind him while making a phone call. I asked him to make sure the dozen or so Minnesota fans outside for a smoke or just to chat were not going to be let in, because as I had been told so sternly, there was no re-entry. "Well, I'm certainly not going to let them in...[but if they go to the other escalator], I can't really do anything then." The whole time I was on the phone in the lobby area, the kid was hilariously uncomfortable, knowing I was standing there watching while there was obviously no way he was going to deny re-entry to anybody outside.

Sure enough, back in came the fans. Without any questions asked. I got of the phone, and headed back to my seat. I told the kid I had absolutely no problem if he let everyone back in who was outside for a smoke. No reason they shouldn't get back in. Just please don't bullshit me because I've got a red sweatshirt on.

Seems like a bit of a patter at the Mooch...

[Q]jtwcornell91 Wrote: Is it safe to assume that the cowbell was played without incident in Buffalo and Providence in 2003 and in Albany in 2002?[/q]
I remember even hearing it during the UNH - Minnesota game in Buffalo, so it is probably safe to say you are correct.

No problems at Buffalo (other than a very large expanse), no problems at Providence or any other ECAC, nonconference or NCAA event in the last 6 years or so.

[Q]CowbellGuy Wrote:

No problems at Buffalo (other than a very large expanse), no problems at Providence or any other ECAC, nonconference or NCAA event in the last 6 years or so.[/q]
Maybe not ending up in Amherst was for the best after all, the UNH fans weren't allowed to bring their cowbell in to the Mullins for the regional. During a regular season game there in Feb. the head guy came over and told us we had to stop during the 2nd period, the irony is that he used to be the boss at the Whittemore Center (@ UNH). Apparently someone in our athletic department called up the Mullins staff about bringing it for the regional and they were politely told "no".

It seems to me that the administrative hacks are working way to hard to sucj the fun out of the game. What's next? no bands? ROck musiic piped in instead? Piped in clapping noise? Oh wait, that's suspiciously like Vermont now....

OK, I made up a story in my head that could explain the authoritative obsession with seizing the cowbell. It came to me in watching the video of the OSU game. It wasn't so obvious to me while I was there due to my focus and other ambient noise, but tOSU's cowbell was being beaten almost *constantly* during play...a big NCAA no-no. The way it went in my head...Some official, either NCAA or Mariucci official, with about 1000 other things to do may have directed a subordinate to "go get that freaking bell out of here!" without being specific. That order could've filtered down through the ranks of arena security...until some low-level usher in our section saw Age do the cowbell in the 3rd period (or one clank during NCFS). One did come down and asked for the bell, Age refused, and the cops were summoned to execute the directive.

Perhaps meetings were held that night to review any "issues" security had, and the cowbell was brought up, they now had a target to look for on Sunday to ensure it wasn't repeated.

It's just a theory, mind you. I've convinced myself in watching the game tape that if OSU hadn't been pounding their cowbell during play, we wouldn't have had such an issue. Or such amazing stories to tell.

As opposed to Minnesota where they piped their band over the loudspeakers?

[Q]Jordan 04 Wrote:



Sure enough, back in came the fans. Without any questions asked. I got of the phone, and headed back to my seat. I told the kid I had absolutely no problem if he let everyone back in who was outside for a smoke. No reason they shouldn't get back in. Just please don't bullshit me because I've got a red sweatshirt on.

Seems like a bit of a patter at the Mooch...[/q]

Or at Lynah when a Green and Gold-clad Clarkson fan gets harrassed by security.



and yes, I'm in favor of cowbells!

Trust me Rich, that has little to do with green & gold. The ushers are Lynah have a superiority complex and harrass everyone.

I'll take your word for it re the complex but it seems odd (?) that they harassed Clarkson fans a lot more than red fans sitting in the same section and exhibiting the same behavior.

Well, okay, maybe it's a dual complex - one for visiting fans and one for students. They probably don't harass older locals, cause heaven forbid it happened to be a Prof. So there's biases, but its not necessary a visitor thing, its just anyone who can't retaliate much - young or non-local.

I take less and less heat every year. I don't *think* I'm getting more polite.

Oh my God. I didn't think it was possible, but reading this thread makes me hate people even more than I already do.

Rich, our ushers have a profanity complex. If you used one word stronger than "sucks" they'd be all over your ass. I wouldn't completely rule out bias against someone in green and gold, but it's also possible that the Cornell fans in section O knew what the hot buttons were for the "Seating Nazis" and didn't push them.

[Q]Jeff Hopkins '82 Wrote:

As opposed to Minnesota where they piped their band over the loudspeakers? [/q]
In Amherst they piped in a CD version of the Harvard fight song, try and find something lamer than that.

[Q]Rob NH Wrote:

Jeff Hopkins '82 Wrote:

As opposed to Minnesota where they piped their band over the loudspeakers? [/Q]
In Amherst they piped in a CD version of the Harvard fight song, try and find something lamer than that.[/q]

Good band...CD...Good band...CD