Quest for #1 seed
Posted by KenP
Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: KeithK (---.external.lmco.com)
Date: March 15, 2005 01:18PM
[q] Teams bid for the right to host tourneys. Apparently a lot of work involved.[/q]Effort that's probably worth it if you are likely to make the tournament - it guarantees that you won't be sent far from home. But if you're on the bubble it's iffy.
Unfortunately there aren't a lot of facilities close by Ithaca that could host a regional. I'd imagine that hosting requires a lot of direct work with the arena staff, which would mean a lot of travelling. That of course assumes Cornell is even interested in hosting. Does anyone remember a case where an Ivy school hosted an NCAA event?
[Edit: WooHoo! #201!]
Unfortunately there aren't a lot of facilities close by Ithaca that could host a regional. I'd imagine that hosting requires a lot of direct work with the arena staff, which would mean a lot of travelling. That of course assumes Cornell is even interested in hosting. Does anyone remember a case where an Ivy school hosted an NCAA event?
[Edit: WooHoo! #201!]
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Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.ne.client2.attbi.com)
Date: March 15, 2005 01:26PM
[Q]DeltaOne81 Wrote:
The main requirement in the handbook is that you place #1 seeds in the order of closest to them home campus before ever even considering competitive equity.
Without getting deep into this again, ff we were 4 and Minn was 5, they'd place all the #1s in order, so, for example, CC in Minn, DU in GR, BC in Worcester, and us in Amherst. *Then* they'd go and place Minn in Minneapolis, and chalk up the lack of competitive balance to the fact that Minn has to be in Minneapolis.
So if we and Minn finished 4/5 like that, with us 4, the rules as written seem to allow little flexbility in not putting us in Amherst or maybe Worcester.[/q]
I think that's all correct. The decision as to whether we or BC would be in Worcester vs. Amherst might come down to where BU--which must play in Worcester--winds up being ranked in PWR. That is to say, would it be more in tune with the seedings to have BU in the same regional with BC or with Cornell?
Seems to me in 2003 they made an executive decision that Worcester and Providence were effectively equidistant for Cornell, and one could make that same argument for BC this year regarding Worcester and Amherst. It's not like we're talking Worcester vs. Grand Rapids.
The main requirement in the handbook is that you place #1 seeds in the order of closest to them home campus before ever even considering competitive equity.
Without getting deep into this again, ff we were 4 and Minn was 5, they'd place all the #1s in order, so, for example, CC in Minn, DU in GR, BC in Worcester, and us in Amherst. *Then* they'd go and place Minn in Minneapolis, and chalk up the lack of competitive balance to the fact that Minn has to be in Minneapolis.
So if we and Minn finished 4/5 like that, with us 4, the rules as written seem to allow little flexbility in not putting us in Amherst or maybe Worcester.[/q]
I think that's all correct. The decision as to whether we or BC would be in Worcester vs. Amherst might come down to where BU--which must play in Worcester--winds up being ranked in PWR. That is to say, would it be more in tune with the seedings to have BU in the same regional with BC or with Cornell?
Seems to me in 2003 they made an executive decision that Worcester and Providence were effectively equidistant for Cornell, and one could make that same argument for BC this year regarding Worcester and Amherst. It's not like we're talking Worcester vs. Grand Rapids.
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Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (---.loyno.edu)
Date: March 15, 2005 02:29PM
[Q]KeithK Wrote:
Teams bid for the right to host tourneys. Apparently a lot of work involved.[/Q]
Effort that's probably worth it if you are likely to make the tournament - it guarantees that you won't be sent far from home. But if you're on the bubble it's iffy.
Unfortunately there aren't a lot of facilities close by Ithaca that could host a regional. I'd imagine that hosting requires a lot of direct work with the arena staff, which would mean a lot of travelling. That of course assumes Cornell is even interested in hosting. Does anyone remember a case where an Ivy school hosted an NCAA event?
[/q]
The 2007 East Regional is scheduled for Rochester, but no team has been identified as a host. (I think the ECAC put in the bid, and left open the possibility of getting a co-hosting team.)
Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: heykb (129.25.3.---)
Date: March 15, 2005 02:34PM
[Q]KeithK Wrote:
Unfortunately there aren't a lot of facilities close by Ithaca that could host a regional. I'd imagine that hosting requires a lot of direct work with the arena staff, which would mean a lot of travelling. That of course assumes Cornell is even interested in hosting. Does anyone remember a case where an Ivy school hosted an NCAA event?
[/q]
Cornell hosted the NCAA lacrosse final when I was there. Didn't Princeton host it just a year or two ago? Penn may host b-ball when it's in Philly - I don't know.
Anyway, I'd imagine Binghamton or Syracuse would be the closest hockey venues big enough to have a Cornell-hosted NCAA regional. Neither would be bad at all for Cornell fans to overrun the place.
~Karl B. '77
Unfortunately there aren't a lot of facilities close by Ithaca that could host a regional. I'd imagine that hosting requires a lot of direct work with the arena staff, which would mean a lot of travelling. That of course assumes Cornell is even interested in hosting. Does anyone remember a case where an Ivy school hosted an NCAA event?
[/q]
Cornell hosted the NCAA lacrosse final when I was there. Didn't Princeton host it just a year or two ago? Penn may host b-ball when it's in Philly - I don't know.
Anyway, I'd imagine Binghamton or Syracuse would be the closest hockey venues big enough to have a Cornell-hosted NCAA regional. Neither would be bad at all for Cornell fans to overrun the place.
~Karl B. '77
Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: nyc94 (---.ny325.east.verizon.net)
Date: March 15, 2005 02:41PM
[Q]Al DeFlorio Wrote:
Seems to me in 2003 they made an executive decision that Worcester and Providence were effectively equidistant for Cornell, and one could make that same argument for BC this year regarding Worcester and Amherst. It's not like we're talking Worcester vs. Grand Rapids.[/q]
I think they put Cornell in Providence so we would match up with BC in the second round instead of BU which was hosting in Worcester. According to Moy's analysis post-selection show [www.uscho.com] the final "pre-bonus" PWR was:
1 Cornell
2 Colorado College
3 Minnesota
4 New Hampshire
5 Boston University
6 Maine
7 Ferris State
8 Boston College
9 Michigan
10 North Dakota
11 Ohio State
12 Harvard
13 Minnesota State
14 St. Cloud State
15 Mercyhurst
16 Wayne State
The idea was to give us the "weakest" of the #2 seeds. Yes, it probably hinged on the two cities being equidistant but imagine the reaction if we drew Minnesota State AND BU. Moy assumes the RPI bonus moved St. Cloud ahead of Minnesota State making Minnesota State the lowest seed we could play without causing a WCHA-WCHA first round matchup.
Seems to me in 2003 they made an executive decision that Worcester and Providence were effectively equidistant for Cornell, and one could make that same argument for BC this year regarding Worcester and Amherst. It's not like we're talking Worcester vs. Grand Rapids.[/q]
I think they put Cornell in Providence so we would match up with BC in the second round instead of BU which was hosting in Worcester. According to Moy's analysis post-selection show [www.uscho.com] the final "pre-bonus" PWR was:
1 Cornell
2 Colorado College
3 Minnesota
4 New Hampshire
5 Boston University
6 Maine
7 Ferris State
8 Boston College
9 Michigan
10 North Dakota
11 Ohio State
12 Harvard
13 Minnesota State
14 St. Cloud State
15 Mercyhurst
16 Wayne State
The idea was to give us the "weakest" of the #2 seeds. Yes, it probably hinged on the two cities being equidistant but imagine the reaction if we drew Minnesota State AND BU. Moy assumes the RPI bonus moved St. Cloud ahead of Minnesota State making Minnesota State the lowest seed we could play without causing a WCHA-WCHA first round matchup.
Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: CowbellGuy (Moderator)
Date: March 15, 2005 02:41PM
The War Memorial is bad, anywhichway. Bad.
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Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: ben03 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: March 15, 2005 03:18PM
[Q]CowbellGuy Wrote:
The War Memorial is bad, anywhichway. Bad.[/q]
Syracuse, you are indeed correct ... Blue Cross Arena in Rochester OTOH, is about as nice as you'll find within a 5 hour drive.
The War Memorial is bad, anywhichway. Bad.[/q]
Syracuse, you are indeed correct ... Blue Cross Arena in Rochester OTOH, is about as nice as you'll find within a 5 hour drive.
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Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: Jacob '06 (---.chem.cornell.edu)
Date: March 15, 2005 03:26PM
I've been trying the "you are the committee" script, and from what I can tell, if we win out and BC and Denver both also win out, we are stuck at 5. If either of them does not and we win out, we will become a 1 seed. I certainly didn't try every possibility in the world, but this seems to be a trend across a bunch of versions I tried.
Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: heykb (129.25.3.---)
Date: March 15, 2005 03:29PM
I agree with Jacob.
I spent way too much time fiddling with this yesterday. The bottom line is if we win twice, we have a very very good chance of a #1 seed. I don't remember all the scenarios I twiddled, but I think these were some of them:
- If Minnesota loses twice and we win once, we get a #1 seed.
- If we win twice and Denver doesn't win twice, we get a #1 seed.
- If BC loses and we win twice, we get a #1 seed.
There were others, I think, but if we win two games, it takes a pretty specific set of circumstances for us *not* to get a #1 seed. And if we win 1 game, there's still the chance of a #1 seed if a little magic happens.
Part of the magic is related to the fact that Minn, CC, and Denver are all in the same tournament. So only one of those teams can win twice. That seems to help Cornell's situation enormously.
Karl B. '77
I spent way too much time fiddling with this yesterday. The bottom line is if we win twice, we have a very very good chance of a #1 seed. I don't remember all the scenarios I twiddled, but I think these were some of them:
- If Minnesota loses twice and we win once, we get a #1 seed.
- If we win twice and Denver doesn't win twice, we get a #1 seed.
- If BC loses and we win twice, we get a #1 seed.
There were others, I think, but if we win two games, it takes a pretty specific set of circumstances for us *not* to get a #1 seed. And if we win 1 game, there's still the chance of a #1 seed if a little magic happens.
Part of the magic is related to the fact that Minn, CC, and Denver are all in the same tournament. So only one of those teams can win twice. That seems to help Cornell's situation enormously.
Karl B. '77
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Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: calgARI '07 (205.232.75.---)
Date: March 15, 2005 03:36PM
[Q]Jacob '06 Wrote:
I've been trying the "you are the committee" script, and from what I can tell, if we win out and BC and Denver both also win out, we are stuck at 5. If either of them does not and we win out, we will become a 1 seed. I certainly didn't try every possibility in the world, but this seems to be a trend across a bunch of versions I tried.[/q]
Without Pat Eaves, no way does BC win out.
I've been trying the "you are the committee" script, and from what I can tell, if we win out and BC and Denver both also win out, we are stuck at 5. If either of them does not and we win out, we will become a 1 seed. I certainly didn't try every possibility in the world, but this seems to be a trend across a bunch of versions I tried.[/q]
Without Pat Eaves, no way does BC win out.
Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.ne.client2.attbi.com)
Date: March 15, 2005 03:43PM
[Q]nyc94 Wrote:
Al DeFlorio Wrote:
Seems to me in 2003 they made an executive decision that Worcester and Providence were effectively equidistant for Cornell, and one could make that same argument for BC this year regarding Worcester and Amherst. It's not like we're talking Worcester vs. Grand Rapids.[/Q]
I think they put Cornell in Providence so we would match up with BC in the second round instead of BU which was hosting in Worcester. According to Moy's analysis post-selection show the final "pre-bonus" PWR was:
1 Cornell
2 Colorado College
3 Minnesota
4 New Hampshire
5 Boston University
6 Maine
7 Ferris State
8 Boston College
9 Michigan
10 North Dakota
11 Ohio State
12 Harvard
13 Minnesota State
14 St. Cloud State
15 Mercyhurst
16 Wayne State
The idea was to give us the "weakest" of the #2 seeds. Yes, it probably hinged on the two cities being equidistant but imagine the reaction if we drew Minnesota State AND BU. Moy assumes the RPI bonus moved St. Cloud ahead of Minnesota State making Minnesota State the lowest seed we could play without causing a WCHA-WCHA first round matchup.[/q]
Right.
And this year, depending where Cornell and BC wind up (presuming both would be #1 seeds) vis-a-vis BU, I think the committee would feel free to swap BC from Worcester to Amherst--even though it's somewhat further from Chestnut Hill--to make the actual pairings come out more in-line with the final seedings.
[Guess I'm hoping there's a way we can end up playing on a 200x85 sheet.]
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Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: KeithK (---.external.lmco.com)
Date: March 15, 2005 04:33PM
[Q]heykb Wrote:
KeithK Wrote:
Unfortunately there aren't a lot of facilities close by Ithaca that could host a regional. I'd imagine that hosting requires a lot of direct work with the arena staff, which would mean a lot of travelling. That of course assumes Cornell is even interested in hosting. Does anyone remember a case where an Ivy school hosted an NCAA event?
[/Q]
Cornell hosted the NCAA lacrosse final when I was there. Didn't Princeton host it just a year or two ago? Penn may host b-ball when it's in Philly - I don't know.
~Karl B. '77[/q]
From the duh department (and answering my own question) Cornell hosted a lax regional last year, which was well reported on this forum.
Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: ben03 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: March 15, 2005 04:36PM
... and did not do it v. well either 
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Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.airproducts.com)
Date: March 15, 2005 05:51PM
I also found that if Denver loses twice, and Michigan loses once, we can still get a 1 seed if we lose the final.
If Denver loses twice and Michigan wins out, we're #5 in the PWR, but Minny isn't #4, so we stay east.
Die Pioneers!
If Denver loses twice and Michigan wins out, we're #5 in the PWR, but Minny isn't #4, so we stay east.
Die Pioneers!
Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: Tub(a) (---.resnet.cornell.edu)
Date: March 16, 2005 10:15AM
Here's a great scenario (slightly adapted from Mike's prediction):
* CCHA Play-in #2: Northern Michigan defeats Alaska-Fairbanks.
* CCHA Play-in #1: Michigan State defeats Nebraska-Omaha.
* CCHA Semifinal #2: Ohio State defeats Northern Michigan.
* CCHA Semifinal #1: Michigan defeats Michigan State.
* CCHA Championship game: Michigan defeats Ohio State.
* CCHA Consolation game: Michigan State defeats Northern Michigan.
* ECAC Semifinal #2: Harvard defeats Colgate.
* ECAC Semifinal #1: Cornell defeats Vermont.
* ECAC Championship game: Cornell defeats Harvard.
* ECAC Consolation game: Colgate defeats Vermont.
* Hockey East Semifinal #2: Boston University defeats New Hampshire.
* Hockey East Semifinal #1: Maine defeats Boston College.
* Hockey East Championship game: Maine defeats Boston University.
* WCHA Play-in #1: North Dakota defeats Wisconsin.
* WCHA Semifinal #2: Colorado College defeats Minnesota.
* WCHA Semifinal #1: Denver defeats North Dakota.
* WCHA Championship game: Colorado College defeats Denver.
* WCHA Consolation game: Minnesota defeats North Dakota.
* Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #2: Holy Cross defeats Mercyhurst.
* Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #1: Quinnipiac defeats Bentley.
* Atlantic Hockey Championship game: Holy Cross defeats Quinnipiac.
This would put us at 2, and the bracket would look like:
Worcester
Cornell
BU
NoDak
Bemidji
Not only do we get Eastern NHL Ice, but that is a pretty good set of opponents. One can dream...
* CCHA Play-in #2: Northern Michigan defeats Alaska-Fairbanks.
* CCHA Play-in #1: Michigan State defeats Nebraska-Omaha.
* CCHA Semifinal #2: Ohio State defeats Northern Michigan.
* CCHA Semifinal #1: Michigan defeats Michigan State.
* CCHA Championship game: Michigan defeats Ohio State.
* CCHA Consolation game: Michigan State defeats Northern Michigan.
* ECAC Semifinal #2: Harvard defeats Colgate.
* ECAC Semifinal #1: Cornell defeats Vermont.
* ECAC Championship game: Cornell defeats Harvard.
* ECAC Consolation game: Colgate defeats Vermont.
* Hockey East Semifinal #2: Boston University defeats New Hampshire.
* Hockey East Semifinal #1: Maine defeats Boston College.
* Hockey East Championship game: Maine defeats Boston University.
* WCHA Play-in #1: North Dakota defeats Wisconsin.
* WCHA Semifinal #2: Colorado College defeats Minnesota.
* WCHA Semifinal #1: Denver defeats North Dakota.
* WCHA Championship game: Colorado College defeats Denver.
* WCHA Consolation game: Minnesota defeats North Dakota.
* Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #2: Holy Cross defeats Mercyhurst.
* Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #1: Quinnipiac defeats Bentley.
* Atlantic Hockey Championship game: Holy Cross defeats Quinnipiac.
This would put us at 2, and the bracket would look like:
Worcester
Cornell
BU
NoDak
Bemidji
Not only do we get Eastern NHL Ice, but that is a pretty good set of opponents. One can dream...
Brown stays TUC(?)
Posted by: Ken '70 (---.town.ipswich.ma.us)
Date: March 16, 2005 10:19AM
In every yatc scenario I've run Brown drops from TUC. Has anybody run one where Brown stays a TUC? If so, care to share?
Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: calgARI '07 (205.232.75.---)
Date: March 16, 2005 10:28AM
[Q]Tub(a) Wrote:
Here's a great scenario (slightly adapted from Mike's prediction):
* CCHA Play-in #2: Northern Michigan defeats Alaska-Fairbanks.
* CCHA Play-in #1: Michigan State defeats Nebraska-Omaha.
* CCHA Semifinal #2: Ohio State defeats Northern Michigan.
* CCHA Semifinal #1: Michigan defeats Michigan State.
* CCHA Championship game: Michigan defeats Ohio State.
* CCHA Consolation game: Michigan State defeats Northern Michigan.
* ECAC Semifinal #2: Harvard defeats Colgate.
* ECAC Semifinal #1: Cornell defeats Vermont.
* ECAC Championship game: Cornell defeats Harvard.
* ECAC Consolation game: Colgate defeats Vermont.
* Hockey East Semifinal #2: Boston University defeats New Hampshire.
* Hockey East Semifinal #1: Maine defeats Boston College.
* Hockey East Championship game: Maine defeats Boston University.
* WCHA Play-in #1: North Dakota defeats Wisconsin.
* WCHA Semifinal #2: Colorado College defeats Minnesota.
* WCHA Semifinal #1: Denver defeats North Dakota.
* WCHA Championship game: Colorado College defeats Denver.
* WCHA Consolation game: Minnesota defeats North Dakota.
* Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #2: Holy Cross defeats Mercyhurst.
* Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #1: Quinnipiac defeats Bentley.
* Atlantic Hockey Championship game: Holy Cross defeats Quinnipiac.
This would put us at 2, and the bracket would look like:
Worcester
Cornell
BU
NoDak
Bemidji
Not only do we get Eastern NHL Ice, but that is a pretty good set of opponents. One can dream...[/q]
That one is really really good and I think somewhat realistic after BC lost Eaves for the weekend.
Here's a great scenario (slightly adapted from Mike's prediction):
* CCHA Play-in #2: Northern Michigan defeats Alaska-Fairbanks.
* CCHA Play-in #1: Michigan State defeats Nebraska-Omaha.
* CCHA Semifinal #2: Ohio State defeats Northern Michigan.
* CCHA Semifinal #1: Michigan defeats Michigan State.
* CCHA Championship game: Michigan defeats Ohio State.
* CCHA Consolation game: Michigan State defeats Northern Michigan.
* ECAC Semifinal #2: Harvard defeats Colgate.
* ECAC Semifinal #1: Cornell defeats Vermont.
* ECAC Championship game: Cornell defeats Harvard.
* ECAC Consolation game: Colgate defeats Vermont.
* Hockey East Semifinal #2: Boston University defeats New Hampshire.
* Hockey East Semifinal #1: Maine defeats Boston College.
* Hockey East Championship game: Maine defeats Boston University.
* WCHA Play-in #1: North Dakota defeats Wisconsin.
* WCHA Semifinal #2: Colorado College defeats Minnesota.
* WCHA Semifinal #1: Denver defeats North Dakota.
* WCHA Championship game: Colorado College defeats Denver.
* WCHA Consolation game: Minnesota defeats North Dakota.
* Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #2: Holy Cross defeats Mercyhurst.
* Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #1: Quinnipiac defeats Bentley.
* Atlantic Hockey Championship game: Holy Cross defeats Quinnipiac.
This would put us at 2, and the bracket would look like:
Worcester
Cornell
BU
NoDak
Bemidji
Not only do we get Eastern NHL Ice, but that is a pretty good set of opponents. One can dream...[/q]
That one is really really good and I think somewhat realistic after BC lost Eaves for the weekend.
Re: Brown stays TUC(?)
Posted by: jkahn (216.146.73.---)
Date: March 16, 2005 10:40AM
[Q]Ken '70 Wrote:
In every yatc scenario I've run Brown drops from TUC. Has anybody run one where Brown stays a TUC? If so, care to share?[/q]
Colgate would have to win the tournament for Brown to stay a TUC, as Brown played Colgate four times. I've run a few like that where Brown ends up at .5001. If we don't win it all in Albany, it would help our TUC record if Colgate did.
In every yatc scenario I've run Brown drops from TUC. Has anybody run one where Brown stays a TUC? If so, care to share?[/q]
Colgate would have to win the tournament for Brown to stay a TUC, as Brown played Colgate four times. I've run a few like that where Brown ends up at .5001. If we don't win it all in Albany, it would help our TUC record if Colgate did.
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Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: jkahn (216.146.73.---)
Date: March 16, 2005 11:28AM
Here's a scenario where we lose the final in Albany but still get a #1 seed (done with 3/2/1 bonus):
Keys to getting good results are Colgate winning, thus keeping Brown a TUC, and BC losing on Friday. Both help flip our comparison with BC, which moves us ahead of Minnesota.
* CCHA Play-in #2: Northern Michigan defeats Alaska-Fairbanks.
* CCHA Play-in #1: Nebraska-Omaha defeats Michigan State.
* CCHA Semifinal #2: Ohio State defeats Northern Michigan.
* CCHA Semifinal #1: Michigan defeats Nebraska-Omaha.
* CCHA Championship game: Michigan defeats Ohio State.
* CCHA Consolation game: Northern Michigan defeats Nebraska-Omaha.
* ECAC Semifinal #2: Colgate defeats Harvard.
* ECAC Semifinal #1: Cornell defeats Vermont.
* ECAC Championship game: Colgate defeats Cornell.
* ECAC Consolation game: Harvard defeats Vermont.
* Hockey East Semifinal #2: New Hampshire defeats Boston University.
* Hockey East Semifinal #1: Maine defeats Boston College.
* Hockey East Championship game: New Hampshire defeats Maine.
* WCHA Play-in #1: Wisconsin defeats North Dakota.
* WCHA Semifinal #2: Colorado College defeats Minnesota.
* WCHA Semifinal #1: Denver defeats Wisconsin.
* WCHA Championship game: Denver defeats Colorado College.
* WCHA Consolation game: Wisconsin defeats Minnesota.
* Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #2: Mercyhurst defeats Holy Cross.
* Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #1: Quinnipiac defeats Bentley.
* Atlantic Hockey Championship game: Quinnipiac defeats Mercyhurst.
1t Colorado College (CC) 27 .5965*
1t [AQ] Denver (DU) 27 .5937*
3 Boston College (BC) 26 .5818
4 Cornell (Cr) 25 .5819
5 Minnesota (Mn) 24 .5734
6t [AQ] Michigan (Mi) 23 .5817*
6t [AQ] New Hampshire (NH) 23 .5763
8t Boston University (BU) 20 .5683
8t Harvard (Ha) 20 .5668
10t Wisconsin (Wi) 18 .5624
10t North Dakota (ND) 18 .5575
12t Maine (Me) 17 .5648
12t [AQ] Colgate (Cg) 17 .5562
14t Dartmouth (Da) 14 .5298*
14t Ohio State (OS) 14 .5510
16t Michigan State (MS) 12 .5408
16t Vermont (Vt) 12 .5369
16t Mass.-Lowell (ML) 12 .5395
19 Northern Michigan (NM) 11 .5320
20 Minnesota-Duluth (MD) 9 .5091
21 Northeastern (NE) 8 .5390
22 Minnesota State (Mk) 7 .5162
23 [AQ] Bemidji State (BS) 6 .5173
24t Alabama-Huntsville (AH) 4 .5044
24t St. Cloud State (SC) 4 .5043
26t St. Lawrence (SL) 3 .5074
26t Nebraska-Omaha (NO) 3 .5040
28 [AQ] Quinnipiac (Qn) 2 .4738
29 Brown (Bn) 0 .5001
Keys to getting good results are Colgate winning, thus keeping Brown a TUC, and BC losing on Friday. Both help flip our comparison with BC, which moves us ahead of Minnesota.
* CCHA Play-in #2: Northern Michigan defeats Alaska-Fairbanks.
* CCHA Play-in #1: Nebraska-Omaha defeats Michigan State.
* CCHA Semifinal #2: Ohio State defeats Northern Michigan.
* CCHA Semifinal #1: Michigan defeats Nebraska-Omaha.
* CCHA Championship game: Michigan defeats Ohio State.
* CCHA Consolation game: Northern Michigan defeats Nebraska-Omaha.
* ECAC Semifinal #2: Colgate defeats Harvard.
* ECAC Semifinal #1: Cornell defeats Vermont.
* ECAC Championship game: Colgate defeats Cornell.
* ECAC Consolation game: Harvard defeats Vermont.
* Hockey East Semifinal #2: New Hampshire defeats Boston University.
* Hockey East Semifinal #1: Maine defeats Boston College.
* Hockey East Championship game: New Hampshire defeats Maine.
* WCHA Play-in #1: Wisconsin defeats North Dakota.
* WCHA Semifinal #2: Colorado College defeats Minnesota.
* WCHA Semifinal #1: Denver defeats Wisconsin.
* WCHA Championship game: Denver defeats Colorado College.
* WCHA Consolation game: Wisconsin defeats Minnesota.
* Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #2: Mercyhurst defeats Holy Cross.
* Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #1: Quinnipiac defeats Bentley.
* Atlantic Hockey Championship game: Quinnipiac defeats Mercyhurst.
1t Colorado College (CC) 27 .5965*
1t [AQ] Denver (DU) 27 .5937*
3 Boston College (BC) 26 .5818
4 Cornell (Cr) 25 .5819
5 Minnesota (Mn) 24 .5734
6t [AQ] Michigan (Mi) 23 .5817*
6t [AQ] New Hampshire (NH) 23 .5763
8t Boston University (BU) 20 .5683
8t Harvard (Ha) 20 .5668
10t Wisconsin (Wi) 18 .5624
10t North Dakota (ND) 18 .5575
12t Maine (Me) 17 .5648
12t [AQ] Colgate (Cg) 17 .5562
14t Dartmouth (Da) 14 .5298*
14t Ohio State (OS) 14 .5510
16t Michigan State (MS) 12 .5408
16t Vermont (Vt) 12 .5369
16t Mass.-Lowell (ML) 12 .5395
19 Northern Michigan (NM) 11 .5320
20 Minnesota-Duluth (MD) 9 .5091
21 Northeastern (NE) 8 .5390
22 Minnesota State (Mk) 7 .5162
23 [AQ] Bemidji State (BS) 6 .5173
24t Alabama-Huntsville (AH) 4 .5044
24t St. Cloud State (SC) 4 .5043
26t St. Lawrence (SL) 3 .5074
26t Nebraska-Omaha (NO) 3 .5040
28 [AQ] Quinnipiac (Qn) 2 .4738
29 Brown (Bn) 0 .5001
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Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: DeltaOne81 (---.raytheon.com)
Date: March 16, 2005 11:53AM
The only issue with that scenario is its very bonus dependent. Look, we're 0.0001 ahead of BC in RPI, which is what determines the comparison. If the bonuses differ much at all, it doesn't work.
Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.airproducts.com)
Date: March 16, 2005 12:02PM
But how do we get Worcester? Ithaca is closer to Amherst.
Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: Tub(a) (---.resnet.cornell.edu)
Date: March 16, 2005 12:05PM
[Q]Jeff Hopkins '82 Wrote:
But how do we get Worcester? Ithaca is closer to Amherst.[/q]
Well, I assume they would count them roughly the same (like Worcester and Providence). Competitive equity is perfect with BU, UND, and Bemidji (2,7,10,15) and BU needs to stay in Worcester.
But how do we get Worcester? Ithaca is closer to Amherst.[/q]
Well, I assume they would count them roughly the same (like Worcester and Providence). Competitive equity is perfect with BU, UND, and Bemidji (2,7,10,15) and BU needs to stay in Worcester.
Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.airproducts.com)
Date: March 16, 2005 12:11PM
Possible. I guess it depends on the Committee's priorities, and how much flexibility they take in interpreting "absolute" rules. 
Gotta admit I'd love to see it.
Gotta admit I'd love to see it.
Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: DeltaOne81 (---.raytheon.com)
Date: March 16, 2005 01:02PM
As has been discussed, the committee considered Worcester and Providence equidistant to Ithaca for the sake of competitive equity last time (last time for us that is, 2003), so if it didn't really hurt anyone, I wouldn't be that surprised by that.
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Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: Chris 02 (---.aere.iastate.edu)
Date: March 16, 2005 09:17PM
Here's a crazy scenario. It has the EZAC getting 5 teams and WCHA and HEA only getting 4 (all other conferences get 1)!
CCHA Play-in #2: Alaska-Fairbanks defeats Northern Michigan.
CCHA Play-in #1: Michigan State defeats Nebraska-Omaha.
CCHA Semifinal #2: Michigan State defeats Ohio State.
CCHA Semifinal #1: Michigan defeats Alaska-Fairbanks.
CCHA Championship game: Michigan defeats Michigan State.
CCHA Consolation game: Alaska-Fairbanks defeats Ohio State.
ECAC Semifinal #2: Colgate defeats Harvard.
ECAC Semifinal #1: Vermont defeats Cornell.
ECAC Championship game: Colgate defeats Vermont.
ECAC Consolation game: Harvard defeats Cornell.
Hockey East Semifinal #2: Boston University defeats New Hampshire.
Hockey East Semifinal #1: Boston College defeats Maine.
Hockey East Championship game: Boston College defeats Boston University.
WCHA Play-in #1: North Dakota defeats Wisconsin.
WCHA Semifinal #2: Colorado College defeats Minnesota.
WCHA Semifinal #1: North Dakota defeats Denver.
WCHA Championship game: North Dakota defeats Colorado College.
WCHA Consolation game: Minnesota defeats Denver.
Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #2: Mercyhurst defeats Holy Cross.
Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #1: Bentley defeats Quinnipiac.
Atlantic Hockey Championship game: Bentley defeats Mercyhurst.
It's really close in the 13-14-15 slots as Dartmouth, Vermont, and Wisconsin all have the same number of comparisons. However, both Dartmouth and Vermont win the individual comparison over Wisconsin so I believe that breaks the tie.
CCHA Play-in #2: Alaska-Fairbanks defeats Northern Michigan.
CCHA Play-in #1: Michigan State defeats Nebraska-Omaha.
CCHA Semifinal #2: Michigan State defeats Ohio State.
CCHA Semifinal #1: Michigan defeats Alaska-Fairbanks.
CCHA Championship game: Michigan defeats Michigan State.
CCHA Consolation game: Alaska-Fairbanks defeats Ohio State.
ECAC Semifinal #2: Colgate defeats Harvard.
ECAC Semifinal #1: Vermont defeats Cornell.
ECAC Championship game: Colgate defeats Vermont.
ECAC Consolation game: Harvard defeats Cornell.
Hockey East Semifinal #2: Boston University defeats New Hampshire.
Hockey East Semifinal #1: Boston College defeats Maine.
Hockey East Championship game: Boston College defeats Boston University.
WCHA Play-in #1: North Dakota defeats Wisconsin.
WCHA Semifinal #2: Colorado College defeats Minnesota.
WCHA Semifinal #1: North Dakota defeats Denver.
WCHA Championship game: North Dakota defeats Colorado College.
WCHA Consolation game: Minnesota defeats Denver.
Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #2: Mercyhurst defeats Holy Cross.
Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #1: Bentley defeats Quinnipiac.
Atlantic Hockey Championship game: Bentley defeats Mercyhurst.
It's really close in the 13-14-15 slots as Dartmouth, Vermont, and Wisconsin all have the same number of comparisons. However, both Dartmouth and Vermont win the individual comparison over Wisconsin so I believe that breaks the tie.
Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.ne.client2.attbi.com)
Date: March 16, 2005 10:13PM
[Q]Chris 02 Wrote:
Here's a crazy scenario. It has the EZAC getting 5 teams and WCHA and HEA only getting 4 (all other conferences get 1)!
ECAC Semifinal #1: Vermont defeats Cornell.
ECAC Consolation game: Harvard defeats Cornell.
[/q]
This would not be a scenario to celebrate.
Here's a crazy scenario. It has the EZAC getting 5 teams and WCHA and HEA only getting 4 (all other conferences get 1)!
ECAC Semifinal #1: Vermont defeats Cornell.
ECAC Consolation game: Harvard defeats Cornell.
[/q]
This would not be a scenario to celebrate.
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Al DeFlorio '65
Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.airproducts.com)
Date: March 17, 2005 08:13AM
Damn straight, Al.
Getting 5 ECAC teams in is not a goal in my mind. Winning in Albany is.
Getting 5 ECAC teams in is not a goal in my mind. Winning in Albany is.
Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: Will (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: March 17, 2005 08:19AM
Someone on the USCHO message board had posted a way for five ECACHL teams to get in with Cornell still winning the tournament. I'd love to see that happen, if only to really piss off the WCHA posters there. 
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Is next year here yet?
Is next year here yet?
Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.airproducts.com)
Date: March 17, 2005 12:43PM
OK, I'll take THAT. 
Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: Scersk '97 (---.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net)
Date: March 17, 2005 01:11PM
[Q]Will Wrote:
Someone on the USCHO message board had posted a way for five ECACHL teams to get in with Cornell still winning the tournament. I'd love to see that happen, if only to really piss off the WCHA posters there.[/q]
That would be me, but I posted it here [elf.elynah.com] first.
Someone on the USCHO message board had posted a way for five ECACHL teams to get in with Cornell still winning the tournament. I'd love to see that happen, if only to really piss off the WCHA posters there.[/q]
That would be me, but I posted it here [elf.elynah.com] first.
Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.airproducts.com)
Date: March 17, 2005 08:21PM
Here's a fun one:
1. CC
2. Minn
3. BC
4. Cornell
5. BU
6. Denver
7. Mich
8. NoDak
9. Maine
10. Hahvahd
11. UNH
12. Colgate
13. Dartmouth
14. UVM
15. Bemidji
16. Holy Cross
We get a 1-seed, a first round game against CHA or AHA, and 5 ECAC teams make the tourney. Plus we'd probably get to play in Worcester in order to preserve the 4-5 pairing. All of this and we don't even need to win out in Albany!
The games:
CCHA Play-in #2: Alaska-Fairbanks defeats Northern Michigan.
CCHA Play-in #1: Nebraska-Omaha defeats Michigan State.
CCHA Semifinal #2: Nebraska-Omaha defeats Ohio State.
CCHA Semifinal #1: Michigan defeats Alaska-Fairbanks.
CCHA Championship game: Nebraska-Omaha defeats Michigan.
CCHA Consolation game: Alaska-Fairbanks defeats Ohio State.
ECAC Semifinal #2: Colgate defeats Harvard.
ECAC Semifinal #1: Cornell defeats Vermont.
ECAC Championship game: Colgate defeats Cornell.
ECAC Consolation game: Vermont defeats Harvard.
Hockey East Semifinal #2: Boston University defeats New Hampshire.
Hockey East Semifinal #1: Boston College defeats Maine.
Hockey East Championship game: Boston University defeats Boston College.
WCHA Play-in #1: North Dakota defeats Wisconsin.
WCHA Semifinal #2: Minnesota defeats Colorado College.
WCHA Semifinal #1: North Dakota defeats Denver.
WCHA Championship game: Minnesota defeats North Dakota.
WCHA Consolation game: Colorado College defeats Denver.
Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #2: Holy Cross defeats Mercyhurst.
Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #1: Quinnipiac defeats Bentley.
Atlantic Hockey Championship game: Holy Cross defeats Quinnipiac.
1. CC
2. Minn
3. BC
4. Cornell
5. BU
6. Denver
7. Mich
8. NoDak
9. Maine
10. Hahvahd
11. UNH
12. Colgate
13. Dartmouth
14. UVM
15. Bemidji
16. Holy Cross
We get a 1-seed, a first round game against CHA or AHA, and 5 ECAC teams make the tourney. Plus we'd probably get to play in Worcester in order to preserve the 4-5 pairing. All of this and we don't even need to win out in Albany!
The games:
CCHA Play-in #2: Alaska-Fairbanks defeats Northern Michigan.
CCHA Play-in #1: Nebraska-Omaha defeats Michigan State.
CCHA Semifinal #2: Nebraska-Omaha defeats Ohio State.
CCHA Semifinal #1: Michigan defeats Alaska-Fairbanks.
CCHA Championship game: Nebraska-Omaha defeats Michigan.
CCHA Consolation game: Alaska-Fairbanks defeats Ohio State.
ECAC Semifinal #2: Colgate defeats Harvard.
ECAC Semifinal #1: Cornell defeats Vermont.
ECAC Championship game: Colgate defeats Cornell.
ECAC Consolation game: Vermont defeats Harvard.
Hockey East Semifinal #2: Boston University defeats New Hampshire.
Hockey East Semifinal #1: Boston College defeats Maine.
Hockey East Championship game: Boston University defeats Boston College.
WCHA Play-in #1: North Dakota defeats Wisconsin.
WCHA Semifinal #2: Minnesota defeats Colorado College.
WCHA Semifinal #1: North Dakota defeats Denver.
WCHA Championship game: Minnesota defeats North Dakota.
WCHA Consolation game: Colorado College defeats Denver.
Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #2: Holy Cross defeats Mercyhurst.
Atlantic Hockey Semifinal #1: Quinnipiac defeats Bentley.
Atlantic Hockey Championship game: Holy Cross defeats Quinnipiac.
Re: Brown stays TUC(?)
Posted by: Stephen Turner (---.nyc.rr.com)
Date: March 17, 2005 10:39PM
I can't figure out why Brown would no longer be a TUC. Why does their RPI go down if we beat Vermont? Since there schedule strength is less than .5000, and they played both teams twice, it seems to me that their schedule strength should improve, and their RPI should increase. If anyone can figure this out, please post.
Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: Stephen Turner (---.nyc.rr.com)
Date: March 17, 2005 10:43PM
I think you overlooked having UNO winning the CCHA tournament, but not getting a bid to the NCAA!
Re: Brown stays TUC(?)
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.airproducts.com)
Date: March 17, 2005 10:52PM
Crazy theory: Vermont and Brown both played UMD. Possibly a UVM loss hits the opponents-opponents % harder for Brown because of those two extra common opponent games?
Re: Brown stays TUC(?)
Posted by: jkahn (---.client.comcast.net)
Date: March 17, 2005 11:04PM
[Q]Stephen Turner Wrote:
I can't figure out why Brown would no longer be a TUC. Why does their RPI go down if we beat Vermont? Since there schedule strength is less than .5000, and they played both teams twice, it seems to me that their schedule strength should improve, and their RPI should increase. If anyone can figure this out, please post.[/q]
Since our winning percentage goes up by less than Vermont's goes down, our winning has a negative effect on the average percentage of Brown's opponents. Over the course of the weekend, it looks like the only way Brown stays a TUC is Colgate winning twice, as they often end up at .5001 - although in some scenarios they just miss. Hopefully we don't end up in the stupid scenario where we would've been better off if one of our Brown wins was a tie instead.
I can't figure out why Brown would no longer be a TUC. Why does their RPI go down if we beat Vermont? Since there schedule strength is less than .5000, and they played both teams twice, it seems to me that their schedule strength should improve, and their RPI should increase. If anyone can figure this out, please post.[/q]
Since our winning percentage goes up by less than Vermont's goes down, our winning has a negative effect on the average percentage of Brown's opponents. Over the course of the weekend, it looks like the only way Brown stays a TUC is Colgate winning twice, as they often end up at .5001 - although in some scenarios they just miss. Hopefully we don't end up in the stupid scenario where we would've been better off if one of our Brown wins was a tie instead.
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Jeff Kahn '70 '72
Re: Brown stays TUC(?)
Posted by: Stephen Turner (---.nyc.rr.com)
Date: March 18, 2005 08:36AM
It still doesn't make sense, as Brown's RPI goes down more if Vermont wins than if we win (.0004 vs .0003) according to the "you are the committee" I just don't see how their strength of schedule is weaker when 2 teams that they have played twice each play each other. It should have minimal impact, if any. Alaska Anchorage had their RPI go down .001 after Wisconsin's loss, but that makes much more sense. They played Wisconsin 7 times, and North Dakota 4 times. Plus their strength of schedule is above .5000, so when common opponents play each other, their schedule strength should move towards .5000
Re: Brown stays TUC(?)
Posted by: jkahn (216.146.73.---)
Date: March 18, 2005 10:07AM
[Q]Stephen Turner Wrote:
It still doesn't make sense, as Brown's RPI goes down more if Vermont wins than if we win (.0004 vs .0003) according to the "you are the committee"
[/q]
The reason Brown's RPI goes down either way is as follows:
If we beat Vermont, our winning percentage goes up slightly, but Vermont's goes down more, so the two have a negative effect on the average winning percentages of Brown's opponents.
If Vermont were to win, our winning percentage goes down more than Vermont's goes up, with a bigger cumulative negative effect between the two than in the other scenario.
It still doesn't make sense, as Brown's RPI goes down more if Vermont wins than if we win (.0004 vs .0003) according to the "you are the committee"
[/q]
The reason Brown's RPI goes down either way is as follows:
If we beat Vermont, our winning percentage goes up slightly, but Vermont's goes down more, so the two have a negative effect on the average winning percentages of Brown's opponents.
If Vermont were to win, our winning percentage goes down more than Vermont's goes up, with a bigger cumulative negative effect between the two than in the other scenario.
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Jeff Kahn '70 '72
Jeff Kahn '70 '72
Re: Brown stays TUC(?)
Posted by: Stephen Turner (---.nyc.rr.com)
Date: March 18, 2005 12:09PM
Thanks. Really stupid that it is based on %, and not records. If you play 2 teams, 1 is 1-0, the other is 0-10, your schedule strength is 50% and not 9% (1-10).
Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: Stephen Turner (---.nyc.rr.com)
Date: March 18, 2005 12:13PM
This doesn't work. Nebraska-Omaha is winning the CCHA tournament, and not receiving a bid to the NCAAs!
Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: DeltaOne81 (---.solutionip.com)
Date: March 18, 2005 12:25PM
UNO with get the AQ if they were to win. The YATC script should be reflecting that, as it was for the AHA champ.
What the whole Brown thing relates to is just the fact the conference play trends RPI towards .5000 . The more conference games you play, the more your conference teams tend to have an RPI closer to .5000 (cause for every win, there's a loss) . Since Brown isn't playing, its Cornell/Harvard/Colgate/UVMs RPIs which will trend towards .5000 this weekend. Since we're all greater than .5000, it will hurt everyone else in the conference.
Luckily, the same is to be said of all other conference tourneys this weekend. Unluckily, the TUC category isn't relative.
What the whole Brown thing relates to is just the fact the conference play trends RPI towards .5000 . The more conference games you play, the more your conference teams tend to have an RPI closer to .5000 (cause for every win, there's a loss) . Since Brown isn't playing, its Cornell/Harvard/Colgate/UVMs RPIs which will trend towards .5000 this weekend. Since we're all greater than .5000, it will hurt everyone else in the conference.
Luckily, the same is to be said of all other conference tourneys this weekend. Unluckily, the TUC category isn't relative.
Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: Stephen Turner (---.nyc.rr.com)
Date: March 18, 2005 12:37PM
It looks like Brown can remain a TUC if Holy Cross wins the AHA. Go Crusaders!
Re: Brown stays TUC(?)
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (---.loyno.edu)
Date: March 18, 2005 01:14PM
[Q]Stephen Turner Wrote:
Thanks. Really stupid that it is based on %, and not records. If you play 2 teams, 1 is 1-0, the other is 0-10, your schedule strength is 50% and not 9% (1-10).[/q]
I'm not following very closely, but I can say that in that situation, your Opponents' Winning Percentage would be .500. It is the average of the winning percentages of your opponents (leaving out games against you). But those winning percentages can be differently impacted by a single result if they're calculated from different numbers of games.
Thanks. Really stupid that it is based on %, and not records. If you play 2 teams, 1 is 1-0, the other is 0-10, your schedule strength is 50% and not 9% (1-10).[/q]
I'm not following very closely, but I can say that in that situation, your Opponents' Winning Percentage would be .500. It is the average of the winning percentages of your opponents (leaving out games against you). But those winning percentages can be differently impacted by a single result if they're calculated from different numbers of games.
Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: Scersk '97 (---.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net)
Date: March 18, 2005 03:06PM
I don't think we can win the ECAC championship and see 5 ECAC(HL) teams in the NCAAs anymore. Stupid Michigan State.
Oh well, guess we'll have to settle with winning the tourney (hopefully) and getting 4 ECAC(HL) teams in. Mwah-ha-ha-ha! Oh, the westerners will be mad. I would also get a certain amount of satisfaction from seeing only one bid for the CCHA, especially if, say, Michigan were upset in the first round.
Here's to a non-Western champion this year! (Boy, I am getting ahead of myself.)
Oh well, guess we'll have to settle with winning the tourney (hopefully) and getting 4 ECAC(HL) teams in. Mwah-ha-ha-ha! Oh, the westerners will be mad. I would also get a certain amount of satisfaction from seeing only one bid for the CCHA, especially if, say, Michigan were upset in the first round.
Here's to a non-Western champion this year! (Boy, I am getting ahead of myself.)
Re: Quest for #1 seed
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (---.no.no.cox.net)
Date: March 19, 2005 12:14AM
One of the non-Cornell things we needed happened, CC beating Minnesota. So, at least in a scenario where the other favorites win, we get the #1 seed if we win and CC beats DU.
If the only upset is UNH over BC in the HE final, something potentially interesting happens. We end up tied with Minnesota for 4th place in the PWR. Minnesota wins the comparison, but Cornell has the higher RPI. The "right" way to break the tie is using the head-to-head comparison, but it's easier for a computer program to use RPI. (Kind of like how standings ties are listed alphabetically rather than by applying the tie-breakers.) So whether Cornell or Minnesota gets the 1-seed will tell us how the committee is breaking PWR ties these days. (We already know that they look less at the individual comparisons than they used to from the way the 2003 seedings turned out.)
Vermont and Dartmouth can get into a similar tie for #14 if Vermont beats Colgate in the ECAC consolation game.
If the only upset is UNH over BC in the HE final, something potentially interesting happens. We end up tied with Minnesota for 4th place in the PWR. Minnesota wins the comparison, but Cornell has the higher RPI. The "right" way to break the tie is using the head-to-head comparison, but it's easier for a computer program to use RPI. (Kind of like how standings ties are listed alphabetically rather than by applying the tie-breakers.) So whether Cornell or Minnesota gets the 1-seed will tell us how the committee is breaking PWR ties these days. (We already know that they look less at the individual comparisons than they used to from the way the 2003 seedings turned out.)
Vermont and Dartmouth can get into a similar tie for #14 if Vermont beats Colgate in the ECAC consolation game.
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