Opponents and Others 2023-24

Weder

BearLover
There are some YouTube videos with yours of college hockey facilities. For example, UMass, which provides its players 24-hour access to a rink and gym exclusive to the hockey team:
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Contrast with the Cornell men’s team, which shares its ice with the women’s team, figure skating team, club team, intramurals, and recreational skaters, and which has a couple exclusive bikes and treadmills.

Didn’t they add a weight room in Lynah for just the hockey teams this year? I saw a video on Instagram in which Doug Derraugh gave a quick tour. I think it’s in a former locker room. So they’re at least doing what they can absent a much larger hockey facility.

Yeah, they did. I think it’s just a few machines, but at least it’s something.

Finally some good help from the ECAC tonight.

chimpfood
Finally some good help from the ECAC tonight.

Yup:

Clarkson 5 Stonehill 1
Union 5 Vermont 4
Yale 5 Merrimack 2
Princeton 4 Sacred Heart 0
Dartmouth 4 Arizona State 4 (ot)

Cornell back up to 22 in PWR.

chimpfood
Finally some good help from the ECAC tonight.

RPI will rectify that this afternoon. :D
Actually, I doubt that the 'Tute losing at this point will hurt the Cornell much.

ursusminor

chimpfood
Finally some good help from the ECAC tonight.

RPI will rectify that this afternoon. :D
Actually, I doubt that the 'Tute losing at this point will hurt the Cornell much.

1-0 loss; damn fine effort by the Engineers.

I don’t think the ECAC Is ever quite as bad as it seems, it’s just that the lower tier of the conference are always trying to punch up in out of conference games instead of playing teams at their level.

chimpfood
I don’t think the ECAC Is ever quite as bad as it seems, it’s just that the lower tier of the conference are always trying to punch up in out of conference games instead of playing teams at their level.

I can only comment on RPI. We certainly seem to be doing that this year, but last year we mainly played AHA teams.

Surprisingly OT in Troy. 3-3 @ end of regulation.

RPI wins!

Cornell holding at 21 PWR.

Since I didn't feel like driving up to Lake Placid tonight from New Haven, I went to watch Yale play BU instead. Cornell is the only team which has beaten both of them this season. I assume for PWR, it was better for us for BU to win, which they did 6-1. The scary thing was BU was missing three of its stars, all of whom were playing for their respective countries in the U18s. Even so, the talent/skill level of the BU players is absurd. BU scored twice in the first six minutes and it looked like a blowout, but Yale scored later in the period and was outplaying BU to start the second period. But then a Yale player got a 5-minute major and even though BU only scored once on the ensuing PP, that turned the momentum around and BU coasted the rest of the night, although the game did get fairly chippy. It was nice to see a full house at the Yale Whale, including a large contingent of BU fans.

dbilmes
Since I didn't feel like driving up to Lake Placid tonight from New Haven, I went to watch Yale play BU instead. Cornell is the only team which has beaten both of them this season. I assume for PWR, it was better for us for BU to win, which they did 6-1. The scary thing was BU was missing three of its stars, all of whom were playing for their respective countries in the U18s. Even so, the talent/skill level of the BU players is absurd. BU scored twice in the first six minutes and it looked like a blowout, but Yale scored later in the period and was outplaying BU to start the second period. But then a Yale player got a 5-minute major and even though BU only scored once on the ensuing PP, that turned the momentum around and BU coasted the rest of the night, although the game did get fairly chippy. It was nice to see a full house at the Yale Whale, including a large contingent of BU fans.

It was better for us for Yale to win, because we play them twice and BU only once. In addition, I believe that Yale winning also improves the RPI of the other ECAC teams, which thereby improves our own RPI? Not a big deal either way who won, though.

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Anyone watching Princeton’s beating the hell out of Harvard? Harvard has one win! How in gods name did we lose to them? Donato is a terrible coach.

Harvard must have thought it was a tournament. Up 2-0, outshooting Princeton 15-7, and then... 5 unanswered goals.

Clarkson beat UMass in overtime; I don't know if that will delay our start.

arugula
Anyone watching Princeton’s beating the hell out of Harvard? Harvard has one win! How in gods name did we lose to them? Donato is a terrible coach.

I saw the highlights and Harvard's defense looked like a comedy show before some of those Princeton goals. Two of the defenders literally ran into each other in one instance!

Guess will not need my planned "Hey Gay, Copy This: Harvard Sux Go Red!" sign for Lynah East in a few weeks anymore...

US wins the world juniors. No offense at all to the kid but how did keopple make the world junior team a couple years ago?

QPuke @ Northeastern going into OT tired at 3.

Colgate leading 4-3 at PWR #1 Maine with 10 minutes to go.

Colgate kills off a 5th Maine pp. 4-3,7 minutes to go.

With RPI hanging on to beat Brown, Harvard is last in the ECAC standings.

If the RPI women could get a league win, both Harvard teams would be in 12th. RPI did sweep UVM this weekend by identical 5-1 scores.

ursusminor
With RPI hanging on to beat Brown, Harvard is last in the ECAC standings.

Harvard is also the bottom ECAC team in PWR, at 57.

Jesus, great individual play by a Maine player to tie it with 2:25 to go.

Colgate and Maine tie after a potential Colgate GWG is waved off on OT. Not a bad effort by the visiting team

Decent night for the conference.

Colgate ties at PWR #1 Maine
Princeton loses at #11 UNH
SLU ties at #18 RIT
Quinnipiac ties at #24 Northeastern
Dartmouth beats #32 Vermont
Harvard loses at #35 Lowell
Clarkson wins at #58 Canisius

Trotsky
Decent night for the conference.

Colgate ties at PWR #1 Maine
Princeton loses at #11 UNH
SLU ties at #18 RIT
Quinnipiac ties at #24 Northeastern
Dartmouth beats #32 Vermont
Harvard loses at #35 Lowell
Clarkson wins at #58 Canisius

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We pushed up to 19.

next week at Ariz st.
Last chance to get that OC PWR bump.

Minn Duluth didnt help

ursusminor
With RPI hanging on to beat Brown, Harvard is last in the ECAC standings.

If the RPI women could get a league win, both Harvard teams would be in 12th. RPI did sweep UVM this weekend by identical 5-1 scores.

According to USCHO, this has already happened since they gave RPI 2 league victories for the sweep of UVM. [www.uscho.com] Well, they once were in the ECAC. This may get fixed before others look.

Sacred Hearts rink is on display live as they host Army on regional sports channel SNY.

Mac Gadowski playing as a Black Knight rather than a Nittany Lion for his Dad.

Trotsky
We pushed up to 19.

With regard to pairwise, do we gain if BU wins on a given night (such as tonight vs. Northeastern)?

I don't know who to root for.

marty

Trotsky
We pushed up to 19.

With regard to pairwise, do we gain if BU wins on a given night (such as tonight vs. Northeastern)?

I don't know who to root for.

Yes. Our ranking is a function, in part, of our strength of schedule. Also, NEU is in striking distance of an at-large bid. A win over BU would have substantially improved their position, including passing us in the Pairwise.

We improve when an opponent wins, unless they beat an opponent we played more times.

After this weekend we are going to become the world's biggest fans of ASU.

BearLover
NEU

No. Just no.

NU. NOR if you must have 3 chars.

But none of this Deutschland shit.

If the CHN app is to be believed, Q scored six goals in the first 8:52 of its game against Princeton, finishing the first period with six goals on 10 SOG. That's a rough stretch for the Princeton goalie/s. I'm hoping they pulled the starter at some point during the onslaught, perhaps after the fourth goal just 5:13 into the game.

Also it looks as if Brown scored with less than 1 second left to beat a team that some people think Sucks.

marty
Also it looks as if Brown scored with less than 1 second left to beat a team that some people think Sucks.

Actually, Brown was ahead 4-3 when it scored that buzzer beater.

dbilmes

marty
Also it looks as if Brown scored with less than 1 second left to beat a team that some people think Sucks.

Actually, Brown was ahead 4-3 when it scored that buzzer beater.

Ok. Error on the score I read. Thanks.

marty
Also it looks as if Brown scored with less than 1 second left to beat a team that some people think Sucks.

But their draft picks…!!

I was just watching the Holy Cross - Army game. The announcer actually referred to Cornell going to Cambridge and calling it "Lynah East." I had no idea that name was known beyond eLynah!

Colgate lost 3-2 in OT at LIU in both games this weekend. Of course, Cornell somehow managed to lay an egg at home against Colgate when they were only able to dress 4 defensemen.

whatever happens vs Quin

if they win the other 3 we go from 7th to most likely 2nd in the league.

now we need wins to build up the RPI to have a chance in the PWR

upprdeck
whatever happens vs Quin

if they win the other 3 we go from 7th to most likely 2nd in the league.

now we need wins to build up the RPI to have a chance in the PWR

Our RPI right now is .5447. From what I can tell, .54 is usually enough to get in. So maybe some of the teams ahead of us will slip a little.

The more I look at it, the more I don't understand the point of the pairwise. It's almost exactly the same as RPI every season. I'd just switch to straight RPI.

since RPI is the tie breaking component for many of the teams thats gonna happen.

the COP and H2H come into play for limited teams.

Umass is an example.. if we beat Harv we win the COP and had we beaten them instead of a tie we would win the PWR even with losing the RPI.

But how often RPI isnt the real reason for winning a PWR would need some review to see.

upprdeck
since RPI is the tie breaking component for many of the teams thats gonna happen.

the COP and H2H come into play for limited teams.

Umass is an example.. if we beat Harv we win the COP and had we beaten them instead of a tie we would win the PWR even with losing the RPI.

But how often RPI isnt the real reason for winning a PWR would need some review to see.

It seems like every year, there's only a couple or so differences between RPI and PWR rankings. Why go through all the hassle?

Dafatone

upprdeck
whatever happens vs Quin

if they win the other 3 we go from 7th to most likely 2nd in the league.

now we need wins to build up the RPI to have a chance in the PWR

Our RPI right now is .5447. From what I can tell, .54 is usually enough to get in. So maybe some of the teams ahead of us will slip a little.

The more I look at it, the more I don't understand the point of the pairwise. It's almost exactly the same as RPI every season. I'd just switch to straight RPI.

Yeah. I think it’s just RPI, except you drop a spot for each team behind you in RPI who has a (1) positive record against you and (2) better record than you against common opponents. This happened with Minn-Duluth last year: we had higher RPI, but they beat us head to head and had a better record against common opponents, so we ended up one ranking lower in the PWR.

BearLover

Dafatone

upprdeck
whatever happens vs Quin

if they win the other 3 we go from 7th to most likely 2nd in the league.

now we need wins to build up the RPI to have a chance in the PWR

Our RPI right now is .5447. From what I can tell, .54 is usually enough to get in. So maybe some of the teams ahead of us will slip a little.

The more I look at it, the more I don't understand the point of the pairwise. It's almost exactly the same as RPI every season. I'd just switch to straight RPI.

Yeah. I think it’s just RPI, except you drop a spot for each team behind you in RPI who has a (1) positive record against you and (2) better record than you against common opponents. This happened with Minn-Duluth last year: we had higher RPI, but they beat us head to head and had a better record against common opponents, so we ended up one ranking lower in the PWR.

Yup. Or, in the rare case you go 3-0 or better against a team, you beat them even if they have a better RPI and a better common opponent record.

But flipping one pairwise doesn't actually move you up. Say Team A is 39th and Team B is 40th in PWR and RPI, with A winning one more comparison than B. Then B flips a comparison with some other Team C. Now A and B are tied in comparisons won. The tiebreaker there is still RPI, so A is still 39 and B 40.

Our good buddy TJ Semptimphelter just got chased for a second straight game, giving up 3 goals on 6 shots to national powerhouse Augustana (6-11-3). ASU outshooting them 36-14 but still tied with 3 to play in regulation. We could use a Sun Devil goal.

#13 Massachusetts wins at #28 Northeastern.
#1 BU wins at #31 Vermont.
#24 Minnesota-Duluth loses at #10 Western Michigan.
#18 Arizona State wins vs #34 Augustana.

You may have heard about an Ohio State player who speared a Minnesota player on the bench last night. Here is the same piece of shit in a USHL game 2 years ago with a friend of ours. Also a fine example of derp announcing.

Trotsky
You may have heard about an Ohio State player who speared a Minnesota player on the bench last night. Here is the same piece of shit in a USHL game 2 years ago with a friend of ours. Also a fine example of derp announcing.

Here's video of last night's spearing:

Terrible quality but here pic.twitter.com/grvCNZJoaZ

— Ri〽️ Brock Faber Defender (@brodshockey) January 21, 2024

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Love the linesman take down. On first view I thought he decked him. If only.

Cornell led BU for 12 min.

Since that game BU has only trailed 1 time for 8 min total.

RIT as of January 2024 is in the polling Top 20 (19 as of Jan. 22, both polls). If only we had two more games allowed, we could have played them this year in an early January dead week. They would be a reasonable replacement if Quinnipiac decides to flee to Hockey East or <gag> B1G.

billhoward
RIT as of January 2024 is in the polling Top 20 (19 as of Jan. 22, both polls). If only we had two more games allowed, we could have played them this year in an early January dead week. They would be a reasonable replacement if Quinnipiac decides to flee to Hockey East or <gag> B1G.

Replace Quinnipiac with Arizona State. The ECAC could use the crossbreeding.

Greg please be horny in a private channel.

ugarte
Greg please be horny in a private channel.

It's too late for me. Save yourselves.

Trotsky

ugarte
Greg please be horny in a private channel.

It's too late for me. Save yourselves.

50/50 he’s on Epstein’s travel logs (disclaimer: it’s a joke)

scoop85

Trotsky

ugarte
Greg please be horny in a private channel.

It's too late for me. Save yourselves.

50/50 he’s on Epstein’s travel logs (disclaimer: it’s a joke)

Those women are too old for Epstein's clientele.

BC with a pair of ENGs to pull away from BU.

Pairwise #10 Western Mich lost to #22 Colorado College in OT and dropped four spots down to #14. Unfortunately Michigan beat Wisconsin and St. Cloud is winning. We still aren’t very close to any of the teams ahead of us.

BearLover
Unfortunately Michigan beat Wisconsin and St. Cloud is winning.

St. Cloud just lost in OT.

Trotsky

billhoward
RIT as of January 2024 is in the polling Top 20 (19 as of Jan. 22, both polls). If only we had two more games allowed, we could have played them this year in an early January dead week. They would be a reasonable replacement if Quinnipiac decides to flee to Hockey East or <gag> B1G.

Replace Quinnipiac with Arizona State. The ECAC could use the crossbreeding.

He was talking about both rows, no?

UConn leading Q 3-1 late in the 2nd.

Arizona State manages - barely - not to lose in regulation to an epically bad Lindenwood team (and ties it on a shorty, so good on them for not giving up). Is ASU playing shitty hockey just to spite us?!

Beeeej
Arizona State manages - barely - not to lose in regulation to an epically bad Lindenwood team (and ties it on a shorty, so good on them for not giving up). Is ASU playing shitty hockey just to spite us?!

…and loses the shootout anyway.

Cornell is getting very little help from other results. It’s hard to see us catching anybody in the top 12 of the PWR, and 13 and 14 will be tough to catch unless we win almost every remaining game. Frankly, almost everyone ahead of us is a blue-blood program with a really good team this year. We need to keep winning.

We need to win the auto bid, which, happily, is the point of the post-season anyway.

Trotsky
We need to win the auto bid, which, happily, is the point of the post-season anyway.

No we don’t. Cornell will very likely be in the NCAAs if we lose one, two, or maybe even three games without winning the ECAC tournament.

BearLover

Trotsky
We need to win the auto bid, which, happily, is the point of the post-season anyway.

No we don’t. Cornell will very likely be in the NCAAs if we lose one, two, or maybe even three games without winning the ECAC tournament.

You're the one who said we need to keep winning. If we need to keep winning it is because otherwise we will fall out of PWR contention and have to win the auto bid.

It's your baby, Rosemary.

Trotsky

BearLover

Trotsky
We need to win the auto bid, which, happily, is the point of the post-season anyway.

No we don’t. Cornell will very likely be in the NCAAs if we lose one, two, or maybe even three games without winning the ECAC tournament.

You're the one who said we need to keep winning. If we need to keep winning it is because otherwise we will fall out of PWR contention and have to win the auto bid.

It's your baby, Rosemary.

Yeah, we need to keep winning…the doesn’t mean win literally every single remaining game. Cornell has at least 11 games left before the NCAAs. Even the best hockey team is very unlikely to win 11 games in a row. Saying we need to “keep winning” just means we need to keep winning at a very high rate.

we need BU/BC to do their thing as well as Ndak/Denver and MSU/Minn/Wisc

Mich is only a few games over .500 and under .500 in the B10.. They get swept by MSU and/OR Minn and they could fall below .500

crazy world where UNH is 8th in HE but 16th in PWR

I'm not sure if I care about this. I never cared for him but strangely don't feel Scadenfreude.

Playing the PWR what if is pretty hard to see us getting very much higher without some bad play above us no matter how well we play down the stretch.

If Mich doesnt get swept this weekend by MSU they gain on us and if they sweep they really gain on us

Umass has 4 chances to win over higher ranked teams. so best to have them beat UNH in a few weeks and hope they lose a bunch

if WMU just splits and gets swept vs NDAK we have a slight chance to pass them

st cloud needs to get swept by Denver in a few weeks

Prov would help by Maine sweeping them at home

we might be able to get to 10-11th or so with continued good play. But even home sweeps and splits on the rd we lose ground probably need 7-1 to stay in the race.

Let’s not forget that conference tournaments count for the pairwise, we have plenty of time and games to go.

upprdeck
Playing the PWR what if is pretty hard to see us getting very much higher without some bad play above us no matter how well we play down the stretch.

If Mich doesnt get swept this weekend by MSU they gain on us and if they sweep they really gain on us

Umass has 4 chances to win over higher ranked teams. so best to have them beat UNH in a few weeks and hope they lose a bunch

if WMU just splits and gets swept vs NDAK we have a slight chance to pass them

st cloud needs to get swept by Denver in a few weeks

Prov would help by Maine sweeping them at home

we might be able to get to 10-11th or so with continued good play. But even home sweeps and splits on the rd we lose ground probably need 7-1 to stay in the race.

Also, Colorado College and UNH are right behind us and can gain a lot of ground given their remaining schedule (including NCHC/HE playoffs). Seems like this may be a really strange year where the NCAA top ~16 is top-heavy and everyone else is mediocre to bad.

I would think it would be in our best interests for BU to win the Beanpot, no?

Iceberg
I would think it would be in our best interests for BU to win the Beanpot, no?

Harvard over BU or BU over Harvard? We don't want either to lose tomorrow.

marty

Iceberg
I would think it would be in our best interests for BU to win the Beanpot, no?

Harvard over BU or BU over Harvard? We don't want either to lose tomorrow.

We want Harvard to win because we play them more.

Most championships, NCAA history
1. Michigan-9
1. Denver-9
3. NoDak-8
4. Wisconsin-6
5. BC-5
5. BU-5
5. Minnesota-5

These teams are currently 1,2,3,5,8,9,12 in the pairwise.

have to be honest it was weird seeing wisconsin and maine stink and i'm glad they don't

Yes on Wisconsin. Maine cheated; to heck with them.

Harvard vs Northeastern is the 5pm Beanplop game. Harvard sucks; go Harvard!

Trotsky
Yes on Wisconsin. Maine cheated; to heck with them.

if the way they stink meant i got to watch Kariya play in college, i can live with that.

Kariya would have just played somewhere else.

I always wondered who else recruited him. He did come out of BC when the McCutcheon pipeline was at its peak.

"On the biggest stage there is."

Well...

Trotsky
Kariya would have just played somewhere else.

I always wondered who else recruited him. He did come out of BC when the McCutcheon pipeline was at its peak.

What is the back story here? I remember Walsh getting popped for taking money from boosters. Was Kariya also?

The Rancor

Trotsky
Kariya would have just played somewhere else.

I always wondered who else recruited him. He did come out of BC when the McCutcheon pipeline was at its peak.

What is the back story here? I remember Walsh getting popped for taking money from boosters. Was Kariya also?

Kariya was not involved in anything.

The big Maine scandal was admissions.

Trotsky
Kariya would have just played somewhere else.

I always wondered who else recruited him. He did come out of BC when the McCutcheon pipeline was at its peak.

I saw a couple articles that said he had offers from BU, BC, and Harvard and was being recruited by a pile of schools.

pfibiger

Trotsky
Kariya would have just played somewhere else.

I always wondered who else recruited him. He did come out of BC when the McCutcheon pipeline was at its peak.

I saw a couple articles that said he had offers from BU, BC, and Harvard and was being recruited by a pile of schools.

I think I remember something like that. BC and Harvard ring a bell.

The Rancor

Trotsky
Kariya would have just played somewhere else.

I always wondered who else recruited him. He did come out of BC when the McCutcheon pipeline was at its peak.

What is the back story here? I remember Walsh getting popped for taking money from boosters. Was Kariya also?

I don't recall anything about Walsh taking money from boosters. And even if he did, I don't think that's against any rules.

Walsh broke a hundred other rules, though -- mainly getting ineligible players skated by because Maine's admissions and compliance department was non-existent, clueless, didn't care or all of the above. This led to numerous players getting declared ineligible after the fact, and games having to be forfeited left and right. And when he got dinged on one, he'd just try it again with someone else. Walsh always thought he could outsmart everyone, and that his interpretation of the rules were correct, and he was defiant about it. Moreso, he was just trying to pull the wool over people's eyes.

If we think our freshmen are good, BC has an all-freshman line which has combined for 38 goals this season.

dbilmes
If we think our freshmen are good, BC has an all-freshman line which has combined for 38 goals this season.

If we had 3 1st rounders on a line they’d have the same type of production

scoop85

dbilmes
If we think our freshmen are good, BC has an all-freshman line which has combined for 38 goals this season.

If we had 3 1st rounders on a line they’d have the same type of production

Draft picks? Draft picks?????

scoop85

dbilmes
If we think our freshmen are good, BC has an all-freshman line which has combined for 38 goals this season.

If we had 3 1st rounders on a line they’d have the same type of production

And they'd leave after 2 years.

adamw

The Rancor

What is the back story here? I remember Walsh getting popped for taking money from boosters. Was Kariya also?

I don't recall anything about Walsh taking money from boosters. And even if he did, I don't think that's against any rules.

Walsh did take some money from boosters while he was on a five-game unpaid suspension, despite specifically being told by the university NOT to take the money. I'm unclear whether that was a rules violation, but apparently the real problem was that he lied about the whole situation a few months later during an investigation.

adamw

The Rancor

Trotsky
Kariya would have just played somewhere else.

I always wondered who else recruited him. He did come out of BC when the McCutcheon pipeline was at its peak.

What is the back story here? I remember Walsh getting popped for taking money from boosters. Was Kariya also?

I don't recall anything about Walsh taking money from boosters. And even if he did, I don't think that's against any rules.

Walsh broke a hundred other rules, though -- mainly getting ineligible players skated by because Maine's admissions and compliance department was non-existent, clueless, didn't care or all of the above. This led to numerous players getting declared ineligible after the fact, and games having to be forfeited left and right. And when he got dinged on one, he'd just try it again with someone else. Walsh always thought he could outsmart everyone, and that his interpretation of the rules were correct, and he was defiant about it. Moreso, he was just trying to pull the wool over people's eyes.

Sounds as if he might have had a better future running for President of the United States.

Cornell needs to work hard on the road this weekend

Root for MSU/Maine sweeps and Umass to get nothing better than a split vs UConn.

Really wild would be WMU splitting with Omaha

Cornell potentially could move to 10th if all that happens.

Trotsky

scoop85

dbilmes
If we think our freshmen are good, BC has an all-freshman line which has combined for 38 goals this season.

If we had 3 1st rounders on a line they’d have the same type of production

And they'd leave after 2 years.

If you can reload with 3.more every two years, who cares?