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#13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24

Posted by Trotsky 
#13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.net.cia.gov)
Date: February 24, 2023 10:58AM

Oh, sure, what the hell, I'll have another cup of hockey.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 12:56PM

Brown sucks this year. I believe they'll finish between 8 and 12 in the ECAC this year, depending on this weekend. The Yann Denis-for-Hobey era was two decades ago. Schafer teams have gone 42-8-6 versus Brown. But Brown did beat Harvard this year. 2 W's this weekend give Cornell the Ivy title outright. Over Harvard.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 02:08PM

billhoward
Brown sucks this year. I believe they'll finish between 8 and 12 in the ECAC this year, depending on this weekend. The Yann Denis-for-Hobey era was two decades ago. Schafer teams have gone 42-8-6 versus Brown. But Brown did beat Harvard this year. 2 W's this weekend give Cornell the Ivy title outright. Over Harvard.
Hasn’t Harvard already clinched the Ivy title? They won 5/6 points from Cornell. Their only ivy loss is to Brown.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: nyc94 (32.215.192.---)
Date: February 24, 2023 02:29PM

Three of Harvard's Ivy wins were in OT. Ivy website doesn't have points. Maybe we can tie them with two regulation wins.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.net.cia.gov)
Date: February 24, 2023 03:03PM

If I have this right, and the Ivies use the derp points, then Harvard (with ot wins at Cornell, Princeton, and Yale) has 24 points. Cornell has 18 points with two games and 6 potential points to go, and therefore could tie Harvard since the Ivies crown co-champions regardless of head-to-head.

But that is only if the Ivies are derpy now.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/24/2023 03:07PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Dafatone (---.sub-174-228-34.myvzw.com)
Date: February 24, 2023 03:15PM

Trotsky
If I have this right, and the Ivies use the derp points, then Harvard (with ot wins at Cornell, Princeton, and Yale) has 24 points. Cornell has 18 points with two games and 6 potential points to go, and therefore could tie Harvard since the Ivies crown co-champions regardless of head-to-head.

But that is only if the Ivies are derpy now.

Don't we currently have 19, because we picked up one point in an overtime loss to Harvard?
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.net.cia.gov)
Date: February 24, 2023 03:31PM

Dafatone
Trotsky
If I have this right, and the Ivies use the derp points, then Harvard (with ot wins at Cornell, Princeton, and Yale) has 24 points. Cornell has 18 points with two games and 6 potential points to go, and therefore could tie Harvard since the Ivies crown co-champions regardless of head-to-head.

But that is only if the Ivies are derpy now.

Don't we currently have 19, because we picked up one point in an overtime loss to Harvard?
Fuck yes, you are right! So we could win it clean. Assuming Idiocy.

Winning 8-2 (0-2) over 9-1 (2-0) would kill this imbecility forever, right?

Right?! :-/
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/24/2023 03:33PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: nyc94 (32.215.192.---)
Date: February 24, 2023 03:34PM

Harvard's weekend preview

Harvard has a chance to win its 29th Ivy League title this weekend, and will be keeping an eye on Cornell's series at Brown and Yale. Harvard finished Ivy League play at 9-1-1 (24 points), while Cornell sits at 6-2-0 (19 points). Any other result than two regulation wins for the Big Red would give Harvard the Ivy League title.
[gocrimson.com]

edit: With 28 titles, Harvard would appear to be taking credit for Ivy titles before the formal creation of the league. Their own record book says 24: [gocrimson.com]
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/24/2023 03:43PM by nyc94.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Iceberg (63.118.12.---)
Date: February 24, 2023 04:18PM

I get to see tonight whether Meehan is really the mausoleum that people claim it to be
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.net.cia.gov)
Date: February 24, 2023 04:50PM

nyc94
Harvard's weekend preview

Harvard has a chance to win its 29th Ivy League title this weekend, and will be keeping an eye on Cornell's series at Brown and Yale. Harvard finished Ivy League play at 9-1-1 (24 points), while Cornell sits at 6-2-0 (19 points). Any other result than two regulation wins for the Big Red would give Harvard the Ivy League title.
[gocrimson.com]

edit: With 28 titles, Harvard would appear to be taking credit for Ivy titles before the formal creation of the league. Their own record book says 24: [gocrimson.com]
See Alabama football. They've won 9 and I think they claim 30.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 04:51PM

Iceberg
I get to see tonight whether Meehan is really the mausoleum that people claim it to be
It is. Trust us.

 
___________________________
Al DeFlorio '65
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.net.cia.gov)
Date: February 24, 2023 04:52PM

It feels like an overturned toilet, in case you never went to the Kingdome.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: shafer (35.1.240.---)
Date: February 24, 2023 06:28PM

Trotsky
It feels like an overturned toilet, in case you never went to the Kingdome.
Naturally. If it’s Brown, flush it down.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 06:34PM

Seger gone this weekend; Caron (.924 Sv%) back for Brown after being gone for a month.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Iceberg (172.56.112.---)
Date: February 24, 2023 06:49PM

Al DeFlorio
Iceberg
I get to see tonight whether Meehan is really the mausoleum that people claim it to be
It is. Trust us.

Well, the band is here, so that'll add some life to the place
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 06:54PM

Last time I was there (2004) it was rug rat central, more overrun with fuck trophies than anywhere but Union.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/24/2023 06:54PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 07:03PM

We're having our way with them but we need to find the net, we've seen how that goes.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/24/2023 07:04PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 07:07PM

4 minutes in, Brown has had the puck on their stick in our end for 3 seconds, from 3:45-3:48.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/24/2023 07:08PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Iceberg (172.56.112.---)
Date: February 24, 2023 07:11PM

Brown has not looked good in their zone at all
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 07:13PM

Iceberg
Brown has not looked good in their zone at all
Our forecheck is beauty so far.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: RichH (104.28.39.---)
Date: February 24, 2023 07:14PM

Trotsky
Dafatone
Trotsky
If I have this right, and the Ivies use the derp points, then Harvard (with ot wins at Cornell, Princeton, and Yale) has 24 points. Cornell has 18 points with two games and 6 potential points to go, and therefore could tie Harvard since the Ivies crown co-champions regardless of head-to-head.

But that is only if the Ivies are derpy now.

Don't we currently have 19, because we picked up one point in an overtime loss to Harvard?
Fuck yes, you are right! So we could win it clean. Assuming Idiocy.

Winning 8-2 (0-2) over 9-1 (2-0) would kill this imbecility forever, right?

Right?! :-/

It wouldn’t surprise me if the Ivy League never defined their own points rules in this era.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 07:16PM

RichH
Trotsky
Dafatone
Trotsky
If I have this right, and the Ivies use the derp points, then Harvard (with ot wins at Cornell, Princeton, and Yale) has 24 points. Cornell has 18 points with two games and 6 potential points to go, and therefore could tie Harvard since the Ivies crown co-champions regardless of head-to-head.

But that is only if the Ivies are derpy now.

Don't we currently have 19, because we picked up one point in an overtime loss to Harvard?
Fuck yes, you are right! So we could win it clean. Assuming Idiocy.

Winning 8-2 (0-2) over 9-1 (2-0) would kill this imbecility forever, right?

Right?! :-/

It wouldn’t surprise me if the Ivy League never defined their own points rules in this era.
"If you hafta ask, you can't get in."
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: RichH (104.28.55.---)
Date: February 24, 2023 07:19PM

Hey, where are My Favorite Homers?
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: ER (---.clppva.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 07:19PM

Cornell 1 Brown 0
6:33 1st
period
O’Leary Penney
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 07:19PM

RichH
Hey, where are My Favorite Homers?
Do they do the ESPN+ broadcast or were they the local yokels back before the Bristol Squid?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/24/2023 07:20PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 07:21PM

ER
O’Leary Penney
Sidearm has an assist for Kovich too.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: RichH (104.28.39.---)
Date: February 24, 2023 07:22PM

Trotsky
RichH
Hey, where are My Favorite Homers?
Do they do the ESPN+ broadcast or were they the local yokels back before the Bristol Squid?

I didn’t think Brown cared enough. I assumed they just left the press box unlocked, and those drunk uncles were the only ones to try the door each week.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 07:24PM

"Literally"?
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 07:24PM

RichH
Trotsky
RichH
Hey, where are My Favorite Homers?
Do they do the ESPN+ broadcast or were they the local yokels back before the Bristol Squid?

I didn’t think Brown cared enough. I assumed they just left the press box unlocked, and those drunk uncles were the only ones to try the door each week.
It worked at Appleton.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 07:32PM

LOL the hold on Berard in front.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 07:58PM

Chandler. Woof.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Iceberg (172.56.112.---)
Date: February 24, 2023 08:00PM

Was Whittet challenging the offside? Seemingly bizarre decision
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 08:01PM

No it was a possible boarding on Penney.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: sah67 (---.buffalo.res.rr.com)
Date: February 24, 2023 08:02PM

Iceberg
Was Whittet challenging the offside? Seemingly bizarre decision

I think it was the very obviously clean hit by the benches as the power play expired. Still a very bizarre use/waste of a challenge.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 08:03PM

sah67
Iceberg
Was Whittet challenging the offside? Seemingly bizarre decision

I think it was the very obviously clean hit by the benches as the power play expired. Still a very bizarre use/waste of a challenge.
It was high up on the body and near the boards and the puck was gone. I can see giving it a shot. As it turns out, we gave them a pp 10 seconds later.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/24/2023 08:04PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 08:05PM

Union finally got a shot midway through the second.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: sah67 (---.buffalo.res.rr.com)
Date: February 24, 2023 08:05PM

Trotsky
sah67
Iceberg
Was Whittet challenging the offside? Seemingly bizarre decision

I think it was the very obviously clean hit by the benches as the power play expired. Still a very bizarre use/waste of a challenge.
It was high up on the body and near the boards and the puck was gone. I can see giving it a shot. As it turns out, we gave them a pp 10 seconds later,.

I saw shoulder-to-chest and no contact with the boards, but maybe it looked worse from the Brown bench.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 08:07PM

Poor Rego, that's the third really dumb mistake tonight Not having a good night so far.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 08:07PM

sah67
Trotsky
sah67
Iceberg
Was Whittet challenging the offside? Seemingly bizarre decision

I think it was the very obviously clean hit by the benches as the power play expired. Still a very bizarre use/waste of a challenge.
It was high up on the body and near the boards and the puck was gone. I can see giving it a shot. As it turns out, we gave them a pp 10 seconds later,.

I saw shoulder-to-chest and no contact with the boards, but maybe it looked worse from the Brown bench.
I think it was a reach and sometimes reaches get calls nowadays.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: scoop85 (---.hvc.res.rr.com)
Date: February 24, 2023 08:11PM

Nothing "crisp" about our game halfway through
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 08:17PM

Literally
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Iceberg (172.56.112.---)
Date: February 24, 2023 08:19PM

scoop85
Nothing "crisp" about our game halfway through

And neither was the one that Caron just let in. He'd definitely like to have that one back
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 08:21PM

Brown announcer just spoke Berard's goal into existence.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: chimpfood (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: February 24, 2023 08:24PM

I can never see the puck with red instead of yellow at the bottom of the boards
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 08:27PM

Wow, gorgeous final shift here for Bancroft et al.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 08:28PM

Potentially forgotten story of this game: Shane's excellent saves when Brown had the momentum still back at 1-0.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 08:29PM

Harvard blowing out SLU at Appleton, grumble grumble.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 08:49PM

I didn't realize the video review is the Pulp Fiction gesture.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/24/2023 08:50PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Iceberg (172.56.112.---)
Date: February 24, 2023 08:50PM

The kind of contact on Kovich is what would typically be called a penalty, but a referee was right there and didn't call anything. I've seen less clear stuff than that called for 5
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/24/2023 08:51PM by Iceberg.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 08:53PM

Brown band has a sax player dressed like Wario.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 09:01PM

Not sure I've ever seen an entire pp played by the first unit.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 09:07PM

Wow, that was a pretty bad no-call (the hit on Max).
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: sah67 (---.buffalo.res.rr.com)
Date: February 24, 2023 09:08PM

Even the Brown announcers were shocked that cross-check to Andreev’s face (with the puck also long gone) went unpenalized.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/24/2023 09:08PM by sah67.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 09:09PM

The best revenge...
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Iceberg (172.56.112.---)
Date: February 24, 2023 09:14PM

That was a heck of a move by Wallace. In general the forwards are having a field day with whatever defensive scheme Brown is running, aside from just being quicker overall
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: sah67 (---.buffalo.res.rr.com)
Date: February 24, 2023 09:16PM

Iceberg
That was a heck of a move by Wallace. In general the forwards are having a field day with whatever defensive scheme Brown is running, aside from just being quicker overall

Mack, I believe. It was definitely a slick dangle.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 09:16PM

SOG in the third 16-1.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: CU2007 (---.stny.res.rr.com)
Date: February 24, 2023 09:19PM

Two things - it’s a big failure on the league’s part that there is such confusion over the Ivy League standings - even amongst devoted fans like this page. Amateurish

Caron is a great goalie. Type of goalie a good team could lose in the ECAC quarters 2-1(OT) in game 1 and 1-0 in game 3. Masks a truly awful Brown team
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: shafer (---.hsd1.mi.comcast.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 09:20PM

These refs have created a real throwback gongshow feel to this game
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: nshapiro (---.phlapa.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 09:21PM

I think these announcers have been very entertaining, as well as complimentary toward Cornell.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 09:26PM

Final third period SOG, 19-1.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 09:27PM

nshapiro
I think these announcers have been very entertaining, as well as complimentary toward Cornell.
They were quite good. Nice to see the level of announcing improving across the league. We may not even have any middle functioning alcoholics left.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/24/2023 09:27PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Iceberg (172.56.112.---)
Date: February 24, 2023 09:30PM

CU2007
Two things - it’s a big failure on the league’s part that there is such confusion over the Ivy League standings - even amongst devoted fans like this page. Amateurish

Caron is a great goalie. Type of goalie a good team could lose in the ECAC quarters 2-1(OT) in game 1 and 1-0 in game 3. Masks a truly awful Brown team


Indeed. One could tell it was a frustrating game for him because he was basically doing all he could.

As for the refs, they weren't particularly great. Missed a few things that should've been Brown penalties very early in the game
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: February 24, 2023 09:32PM

puzzling how the refs missed that call on the max hit.. but since they missed so many others I guess you can just assume they spent part of the game with their eyes closed.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: February 24, 2023 09:33PM

Like between periods, I watched the Brown women’s water polo team on their trip to Australia. Like it must have been a really cool trip. Like they literally saw koalas. Like they were totally cool, the koalas, that is. Like they took a really awesome boat ride, the women, not the koalas. Like it doesn’t say much for Brown. Like it was really annoying. Like I finally had to press the mute button.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 09:38PM

Yale comes from behind to beat Gate; watch out.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 09:41PM

Clearly a dominant performance. Too bad Cornell couldn’t get a win last weekend, couldn’t hang on another few seconds vs BU. Now they’re teetering on the edge despite being a very good team.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: upprdeck (38.77.26.---)
Date: February 24, 2023 09:47PM

yup.. just either of those games last week we we stay pretty close to top 10 in in PWR.. now we need to play well the next 3(hopefully) and see where we are.

Minn st and Ohame losing tonight would help us. omaha down 5-1 and hopefully get swept.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 10:03PM

Ivy Standings from the official site:

Hvd 9-1-0 .900
Cor 7-2-0 .833
Prn 5-5-0 .550
Drt 3-6-1 .350
Yal 2-7-0 .278
Brn 2-7-1 .250

Let's pretend, for a moment, that it is correct (god knows if it is). Let's start with the obvious, Hvd at .900. That means winning in overtime is credited at a full win.

So now we go to Cornell. The ECAC's 3-point system would give us 22/27 = .815 , so that isn't it. How about getting 1 for an overtime loss in a 2-point system? That would be 15/18 = .833. AHA!!!

So let's say the rule is: 2 points for a win in regulation or overtime, 0 for a loss in regulation, 1 for a loss in overtime (thus generating a 3-point game), and no idea for a shootout win or loss.

Results:

Hvd 9-1-0 .900 18/20 .900 (3 OT W)
Cor 7-2-0 .833 15/18 .833 (1 OT L)
Prn 5-5-0 .550 11/20 .550 (1 OT L)
Drt 3-6-1 .350  7/20 .350 (1 SH W)
Yal 2-7-0 .278  5/18 .278 (1 OT L)
Brn 2-7-1 .250  5/20 .250 (1 SH L)

So we know a shootout is just 1 point either way, and the mystery is solved.

The Ivy League point system is:

2 points for a win in regulation or overtime
1 for a loss in overtime
1 for reaching the shootout, result unimportant
0 for a loss in regulation


Cornell cannot win even a share of the Ivy title.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/24/2023 10:06PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 10:22PM

While the absence of red is disappointing this season, if we win tomorrow there will have been just 2 seasons in the last 17 in which we had a better ECAC record, and just 6 in the last 43 seasons.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 02/24/2023 10:27PM by Trotsky.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Dafatone (---.sub-174-228-34.myvzw.com)
Date: February 24, 2023 10:27PM

Someone recently commented that the home/away weightings aren't severe enough because of how big home ice is.

I think they're too severe. Losing at home is brutal. Minnesota State just tumbled from about .5420 or so to .5365 because they lost to Michigan Tech. Went from #12 to #15 in the pairwise. And Tech is good! They're #11.

The good news is we are now #12.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.229.45.21.res-cmts.sm.ptd.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 10:29PM

upprdeck
yup.. just either of those games last week we we stay pretty close to top 10 in in PWR.. now we need to play well the next 3(hopefully) and see where we are.

Minn St and Omaha losing tonight would help us. Omaha down 5-1 and hopefully get swept.

Minn St. lost and Omaha is down 6-2 with 5 mins left. We're back up to #12.

But we need to keep winning to stay off the bubble.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: billhoward (---.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 10:39PM

nshapiro
I think these announcers have been very entertaining, as well as complimentary toward Cornell.
As is our due, at least in this game.

Did Cornell win a coin-flip and get to be the home band with choice of when they tooted about? Brown band, like Brown fans, almost invisible. Brown hockey players deserve credit for playing in a place that has no atmosphere, no presence. At one end there are windows covered by shades.

But did I hear Meehan now has a beergarden? Just in time for the hundredth anniversary of the beer hall putsch.

Nice game. We dominated. Well, by the third period we did.

On to New Haven.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Iceberg (172.56.112.---)
Date: February 24, 2023 10:47PM

Yeah, there was a whole area for beer at the end where Shane was located for two periods. The Brown band was passive but there was a decent showing of students in the crowd, although most seemed to be athletes themselves. Meehan would be a good place if it were filled but it's just so spacious that it looks bad if there aren't enough people
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/24/2023 10:48PM by Iceberg.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 10:54PM

billhoward
Just in time for the hundredth anniversary of the beer hall putsch.
Don't give the dumbfucks any ideas. They already held the beer belly putsch.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: jkahn (---.hsd1.il.comcast.net)
Date: February 24, 2023 11:01PM

Jeff Hopkins '82
upprdeck
yup.. just either of those games last week we we stay pretty close to top 10 in in PWR.. now we need to play well the next 3(hopefully) and see where we are.

Minn St and Omaha losing tonight would help us. Omaha down 5-1 and hopefully get swept.

Minn St. lost and Omaha is down 6-2 with 5 mins left. We're back up to #12.

But we need to keep winning to stay off the bubble.
It's just really tightly bunched between #12 (us at the moment) and #20 Northeastern. There's only a .0060 difference between 12 and 20 in RPI. Northeastern fell from #14 to #20 with a loss tonight. There's not a whole lot of upside, as there's a .0129 difference between #11 and #12. My intuitive math tells me we will likely need to win the next 3 to make the NCAA's if we don't win the ECAC's, with a chance of getting there if we go 4-2 losing in the ECAC finals and things break right in the other tournaments.

 
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Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: February 25, 2023 06:50AM

Trotsky
Ivy Standings from the official site:

Hvd 9-1-0 .900
Cor 7-2-0 .833
Prn 5-5-0 .550
Drt 3-6-1 .350
Yal 2-7-0 .278
Brn 2-7-1 .250

Let's pretend, for a moment, that it is correct (god knows if it is). Let's start with the obvious, Hvd at .900. That means winning in overtime is credited at a full win.

So now we go to Cornell. The ECAC's 3-point system would give us 22/27 = .815 , so that isn't it. How about getting 1 for an overtime loss in a 2-point system? That would be 15/18 = .833. AHA!!!

So let's say the rule is: 2 points for a win in regulation or overtime, 0 for a loss in regulation, 1 for a loss in overtime (thus generating a 3-point game), and no idea for a shootout win or loss.

Results:

Hvd 9-1-0 .900 18/20 .900 (3 OT W)
Cor 7-2-0 .833 15/18 .833 (1 OT L)
Prn 5-5-0 .550 11/20 .550 (1 OT L)
Drt 3-6-1 .350  7/20 .350 (1 SH W)
Yal 2-7-0 .278  5/18 .278 (1 OT L)
Brn 2-7-1 .250  5/20 .250 (1 SH L)

So we know a shootout is just 1 point either way, and the mystery is solved.

The Ivy League point system is:

2 points for a win in regulation or overtime
1 for a loss in overtime
1 for reaching the shootout, result unimportant
0 for a loss in regulation


Cornell cannot win even a share of the Ivy title.
From the CornellBigRed article this morning:

"A regulation victory for the Big Red would ensure an outright Ivy League title for Cornell, which would be the program's 25th title. With a win in overtime or a shootout, Cornell would share the Ancient Eight title with Harvard."

 
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Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 25, 2023 08:18AM

Al DeFlorio
"A regulation victory for the Big Red would ensure an outright Ivy League title for Cornell, which would be the program's 25th title. With a win in overtime or a shootout, Cornell would share the Ancient Eight title with Harvard."

The only problem with that is, the Ivy League apparently does not agree.

What is "CornellBigRed"?
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/25/2023 08:19AM by Trotsky.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Give My Regards (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: February 25, 2023 08:43AM

Trotsky
Al DeFlorio
"A regulation victory for the Big Red would ensure an outright Ivy League title for Cornell, which would be the program's 25th title. With a win in overtime or a shootout, Cornell would share the Ancient Eight title with Harvard."

The only problem with that is, the Ivy League apparently does not agree.

I learned all I needed to know about the Ivy League website by looking at the 2021-22 standings. They list both "Ivy pct." which matches the method Greg details above, and "Ivy points" which matches the 3-point system the ECAC uses. I don't know which one the Ivies used to determine the champion, as Harvard won it either way, but I do know they're both wrong, as those standings don't account for Cornell's OT win over Brown last year. (Brown's "Ivy pct." should be 0.550 and both should have 16 "Ivy points" )

Also, regarding "Ivy pct", it makes perfect sense that the Ivies would use a "percentage" in which some games count for 2 points and some (OT results) count for 3 -- because it's fucking stupid.

 
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Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: February 25, 2023 09:28AM

Trotsky
Al DeFlorio
"A regulation victory for the Big Red would ensure an outright Ivy League title for Cornell, which would be the program's 25th title. With a win in overtime or a shootout, Cornell would share the Ancient Eight title with Harvard."

The only problem with that is, the Ivy League apparently does not agree.

What is "CornellBigRed"?
[cornellbigred.com]

 
___________________________
Al DeFlorio '65
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 25, 2023 09:54AM

Al DeFlorio
Trotsky
Al DeFlorio
"A regulation victory for the Big Red would ensure an outright Ivy League title for Cornell, which would be the program's 25th title. With a win in overtime or a shootout, Cornell would share the Ancient Eight title with Harvard."

The only problem with that is, the Ivy League apparently does not agree.

What is "CornellBigRed"?
[cornellbigred.com]
What are the odds they bothered to check with the Ivy League on their assumptions? (I know, what are the odds they would get the same answer if they asked two different between at the League?)

TBRW will officially list Harvard as the winner of the title no matter what because otherwise is stupid.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/25/2023 09:55AM by Trotsky.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: BearLover (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 25, 2023 10:05AM

Trotsky
Al DeFlorio
Trotsky
Al DeFlorio
"A regulation victory for the Big Red would ensure an outright Ivy League title for Cornell, which would be the program's 25th title. With a win in overtime or a shootout, Cornell would share the Ancient Eight title with Harvard."

The only problem with that is, the Ivy League apparently does not agree.

What is "CornellBigRed"?
[cornellbigred.com]
What are the odds they bothered to check with the Ivy League on their assumptions? (I know, what are the odds they would get the same answer if they asked two different between at the League?)

TBRW will officially list Harvard as the winner of the title no matter what because otherwise is stupid.
Why would TBRW list Harvard as the winner if Cornell (assuming they win tonight) has more points in the standings, based on how college hockey has calculated points for several years now? If Cornell wins tonight, they had a better record against Ivy opponents and they thus win the Ivy League. 3x3 OT win is worth 2 points, regulation win is worth 3. Makes much more sense than counting 3x3 as equal to 5x5.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: nyc94 (32.215.192.---)
Date: February 25, 2023 11:37AM

Al DeFlorio
Trotsky
Ivy Standings from the official site:

Hvd 9-1-0 .900
Cor 7-2-0 .833
Prn 5-5-0 .550
Drt 3-6-1 .350
Yal 2-7-0 .278
Brn 2-7-1 .250

Let's pretend, for a moment, that it is correct (god knows if it is). Let's start with the obvious, Hvd at .900. That means winning in overtime is credited at a full win.

So now we go to Cornell. The ECAC's 3-point system would give us 22/27 = .815 , so that isn't it. How about getting 1 for an overtime loss in a 2-point system? That would be 15/18 = .833. AHA!!!

So let's say the rule is: 2 points for a win in regulation or overtime, 0 for a loss in regulation, 1 for a loss in overtime (thus generating a 3-point game), and no idea for a shootout win or loss.

Results:

Hvd 9-1-0 .900 18/20 .900 (3 OT W)
Cor 7-2-0 .833 15/18 .833 (1 OT L)
Prn 5-5-0 .550 11/20 .550 (1 OT L)
Drt 3-6-1 .350  7/20 .350 (1 SH W)
Yal 2-7-0 .278  5/18 .278 (1 OT L)
Brn 2-7-1 .250  5/20 .250 (1 SH L)

So we know a shootout is just 1 point either way, and the mystery is solved.

The Ivy League point system is:

2 points for a win in regulation or overtime
1 for a loss in overtime
1 for reaching the shootout, result unimportant
0 for a loss in regulation


Cornell cannot win even a share of the Ivy title.
From the CornellBigRed article this morning:

"A regulation victory for the Big Red would ensure an outright Ivy League title for Cornell, which would be the program's 25th title. With a win in overtime or a shootout, Cornell would share the Ancient Eight title with Harvard."

The Harvard record book has Cornell at 23 titles but is missing 1983. They have Harvard tied for first in 1983 but not who they shared the title with like they do for other years. The Ivy site [ivyleague.com] has discrepancies. Looks like it short changes Cornell in 1966, gives Harvard a title in 1959 that their own site gives to Dartmouth and bumps everything up a year until 1967. And it has two identical rows for 1971-72.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: dbilmes (64.224.255.---)
Date: February 25, 2023 02:23PM

No one has started a thread yet for tonight's game at Yale, and I'm reluctant to do so, so I'll post this note here. Yale is playing much better than it was at the beginning of the season, when it was averaging about 1 goal per game. It's won four of its last seven games, including two in a row, scoring 4 goals in each of its last 2 games. It also did something we couldn't do -- avoid losing to Clarkson. This promises to be much tougher than last night's game in Providence.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: George64 (---.rochester.res.rr.com)
Date: February 25, 2023 02:51PM

Trotsky

The Ivy League point system is:

2 points for a win in regulation or overtime
1 for a loss in overtime
1 for reaching the shootout, result unimportant
0 for a loss in regulation


Cornell cannot win even a share of the Ivy title.

Apparently not according to tonight’s Game Notes — a regulation win is 3 points and an OT or SO win is 2 points. Harvard concluded Ivy play with 24 points and going into tonight’s game, we have 22. So a with regulation win, we capture the Ivy title outright, with an OT win we tie.

If so, Harvard’s Ivy win percentage would be .800 and, ours, currently, would be .778, so someone’s wrong — either the league or our SI department. All the more reason to have five minute sudden death OTs and allow for ties.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/25/2023 03:22PM by George64.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Dafatone (---.sub-174-228-34.myvzw.com)
Date: February 25, 2023 03:52PM

Maybe the Ivy League hasn't announced the point system because there is no point system. We're just supposed to guess.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: marty (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: February 25, 2023 04:11PM

Dafatone
Maybe the Ivy League hasn't announced the point system because there is no point system. We're just supposed to guess.

You will know what's in the point system after we pass the point system. The Cantabridgian Council must convene before the announcement is finalized.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: February 25, 2023 04:26PM

marty
Dafatone
Maybe the Ivy League hasn't announced the point system because there is no point system. We're just supposed to guess.

You will know what's in the point system after we pass the point system. The Cantabridgian Council must convene before the announcement is finalized.
Won't matter if Cornell doesn't win tonight.

 
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Al DeFlorio '65
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Scersk '97 (38.81.106.---)
Date: February 25, 2023 04:31PM

BearLover
Trotsky
Al DeFlorio
Trotsky
Al DeFlorio
"A regulation victory for the Big Red would ensure an outright Ivy League title for Cornell, which would be the program's 25th title. With a win in overtime or a shootout, Cornell would share the Ancient Eight title with Harvard."

The only problem with that is, the Ivy League apparently does not agree.

What is "CornellBigRed"?
[cornellbigred.com]
What are the odds they bothered to check with the Ivy League on their assumptions? (I know, what are the odds they would get the same answer if they asked two different between at the League?)

TBRW will officially list Harvard as the winner of the title no matter what because otherwise is stupid.
Why would TBRW list Harvard as the winner if Cornell (assuming they win tonight) has more points in the standings, based on how college hockey has calculated points for several years now? If Cornell wins tonight, they had a better record against Ivy opponents and they thus win the Ivy League. 3x3 OT win is worth 2 points, regulation win is worth 3. Makes much more sense than counting 3x3 as equal to 5x5.

As far as I'm concerned, Cornell is 7-1-1 in the Ivies and Harvard is 6-1-3, since 3x3 OT victories are bullshit. So, 15 points vs. 15 points right now. In my made up world, we're already Ivy Champs and can make it outright with a win or a "tie." Harvard only has any claim to the title at the moment because they are the masters of derp points; thus, what Trotsky is proposing is absolutely nonsensical.

But, you know, that's fine. YMMV.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/25/2023 04:33PM by Scersk '97.
 
Re: #13 Cornell at Brown, Feb 24
Posted by: Trotsky (---.washdc.fios.verizon.net)
Date: February 25, 2023 04:59PM

BearLover
Why would TBRW list Harvard as the winner if Cornell (assuming they win tonight) has more points in the standings, based on how college hockey has calculated points for several years now?
Because the three point system is fucking stupid.

But as was noted in a different response, we could just count overtime decisions as ties, since 3x3 sullied overtime. That seems quite reasonable.

In that case, it is Harvard 6-1-3 15 points, Cornell 7-1-1 15 points, going into tonight.

As that is even more of a middle finger to the Creeping Meatballism of TPTB, okay, I am convinced.
 

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