Season's Over

BMac
[www.ncaa.org]


And for the third time ever, we end the season on a win.

(I thought we needed a new thread?)

i think the impulse for many people is to look at things closing down or events cancelling right now as a sign of doom, but for the most part i think it's cause for optimism—someone in charge of something is taking this seriously, and doing what they can to limit interactions

— Amanda Mull (@amandamull) March 12, 2020

Jeff Hopkins '82

BMac
[www.ncaa.org]


And for the third time ever, we end the season on a win.

(I thought we needed a new thread?)

Wow, that's truly making lemonade.

BMac
[www.ncaa.org]


And for the third time ever, we end the season on a win.

(I thought we needed a new thread?)

BMac
[www.ncaa.org]


And for the third time ever, we end the season on a win.

(I thought we needed a new thread?)

RichH

BMac
[www.ncaa.org]


And for the third time ever, we end the season on a win.

(I thought we needed a new thread?)

My freshmen year, 1993, we missed the ECAC playoffs and beat Dartmouth at home for our last game. And then there must have been some years where an ECAC consolation game win was our last game.

RichH

BMac
[www.ncaa.org]


And for the third time ever, we end the season on a win.

(I thought we needed a new thread?)

My freshmen year, 1993, we missed the ECAC playoffs and beat Dartmouth at home for our last game. And then there must have been some years where an ECAC consolation game win was our last game.

ugarte
i enjoyed this season immensely. the kids played great hockey, i got to see them live with my family at the garden, they closed on a dominant weekend where they blew out the #2 team in the conference. hang a banner, guys.

i'm making peace with this.

i think the impulse for many people is to look at things closing down or events cancelling right now as a sign of doom, but for the most part i think it's cause for optimism—someone in charge of something is taking this seriously, and doing what they can to limit interactions

— Amanda Mull (@amandamull) March 12, 2020

djk26

ugarte
i enjoyed this season immensely. the kids played great hockey, i got to see them live with my family at the garden, they closed on a dominant weekend where they blew out the #2 team in the conference. hang a banner, guys.

i'm making peace with this.

i think the impulse for many people is to look at things closing down or events cancelling right now as a sign of doom, but for the most part i think it's cause for optimism—someone in charge of something is taking this seriously, and doing what they can to limit interactions

— Amanda Mull (@amandamull) March 12, 2020

In the future, we will look back on the decisions we made during this crisis with satisfaction that the actions we took helped control the impact. God, I hope I'm right about this.

cuhockey93
Is Cornell going to claim a national championship? Not that I want us to do it but given how Alabama claims hilarious National Championships I could somehow see it.

toddlose
Soooooo.........

Since the Rangers have no need for Barron for a playoff run now, is there ANY hope he comes back to take care of the unfinished business?

Jeff Hopkins '82

cuhockey93
Is Cornell going to claim a national championship? Not that I want us to do it but given how Alabama claims hilarious National Championships I could somehow see it.

I'd like to think we're better than that.

Jeff Hopkins '82

cuhockey93
Is Cornell going to claim a national championship? Not that I want us to do it but given how Alabama claims hilarious National Championships I could somehow see it.

I'd like to think we're better than that.

BMac
[www.ncaa.org]


And for the third time ever, we end the season on a win.

BearLover

Jeff Hopkins '82

cuhockey93
Is Cornell going to claim a national championship? Not that I want us to do it but given how Alabama claims hilarious National Championships I could somehow see it.

I'd like to think we're better than that.

I would like to see Cornell commemorate this season in some way, including hanging a banner that recognizes we were the #1 team in the country when the season concluded.

BearLover

Jeff Hopkins '82

cuhockey93
Is Cornell going to claim a national championship? Not that I want us to do it but given how Alabama claims hilarious National Championships I could somehow see it.

I'd like to think we're better than that.

I would like to see Cornell commemorate this season in some way, including hanging a banner that recognizes we were the #1 team in the country when the season concluded.

abmarks

BearLover

Jeff Hopkins '82

cuhockey93
Is Cornell going to claim a national championship? Not that I want us to do it but given how Alabama claims hilarious National Championships I could somehow see it.

I'd like to think we're better than that.

I would like to see Cornell commemorate this season in some way, including hanging a banner that recognizes we were the #1 team in the country when the season concluded.

He's back on the checking line folks...

It'd be one thing if they were undefeated at this point, but cmon, a banner would be absolute weaksauce, and I can't imagine the players and coaches would feel good about it. NHL players know not to even touch the cup unless and until they've won it, right?

Jim Hyla
Still looks nice to go to the USCHO site and see those 2 CU symbols for #1 in Men's and Women's D-1.

Hope they stay there till next Spring.

KGR11
I think it would be appropriate to have a banner for each team acknowledging that they had the highest winning percentage in men's and women's hockey. I think it's debatable whether or not the men should be considered national champions as they were not higher in KRACH or Pairwise. The top winning percentages are not debatable.

TimV
I don't like setting a precedent for the creation of a custom banner. Unaccomplished teams will find things they can hang a banner for just to have something in the rafters. No participation trophies please.

Trotsky

Jim Hyla
Still looks nice to go to the USCHO site and see those 2 CU symbols for #1 in Men's and Women's D-1.

Hope they stay there till next Spring.

Fixed.

Jim Hyla
Still looks nice to go to the USCHO site and see those 2 CU symbols for #1 in Men's and Women's D-1.

Hope they stay there till next fall spring.

Trotsky

Jim Hyla
Still looks nice to go to the USCHO site and see those 2 CU symbols for #1 in Men's and Women's D-1.

Hope they stay there till at least next Spring.

Fixed.

ugarte

Trotsky

Jim Hyla
Still looks nice to go to the USCHO site and see those 2 CU symbols for #1 in Men's and Women's D-1.

Hope they stay there THROUGH next Spring.

Fixed.

look if you're gonna fix it ...

abmarks

BearLover

Jeff Hopkins '82

cuhockey93
Is Cornell going to claim a national championship? Not that I want us to do it but given how Alabama claims hilarious National Championships I could somehow see it.

I'd like to think we're better than that.

I would like to see Cornell commemorate this season in some way, including hanging a banner that recognizes we were the #1 team in the country when the season concluded.

He's back on the checking line folks...

It'd be one thing if they were undefeated at this point, but cmon, a banner would be absolute weaksauce, and I can't imagine the players and coaches would feel good about it. NHL players know not to even touch the cup unless and until they've won it, right?

BearLover

abmarks

BearLover

Jeff Hopkins '82

cuhockey93
Is Cornell going to claim a national championship? Not that I want us to do it but given how Alabama claims hilarious National Championships I could somehow see it.

I'd like to think we're better than that.

I would like to see Cornell commemorate this season in some way, including hanging a banner that recognizes we were the #1 team in the country when the season concluded.

He's back on the checking line folks...

It'd be one thing if they were undefeated at this point, but cmon, a banner would be absolute weaksauce, and I can't imagine the players and coaches would feel good about it. NHL players know not to even touch the cup unless and until they've won it, right?

One of the best years in the history of Cornell Hockey cut short due to no fault of the team. They could have won the ECAC, they could have won it all. Other programs can, and do, put up whatever banners they want. If you finish the season #1 in the country, you deserve to be recognized. This team is deserving of recognition and appreciation and a banner is one way of showing it. And one for the women's team too while we're at it.

Hello Everyone
This past week has been stressful and emotional for everyone, and with the NCAA announcement to cancel the post-season tournament, our hockey team is not excluded. Yesterday, it was very difficult to speak to our team and watch young men cry as their chance of achieving their dreams had disappeared. In my 34 years of coaching, nothing has been more painful than yesterday’s meeting. In sports, the season starts with an unknown. Everyone invests with all their heart and soul, without knowing what the end result will be. That result can hurt, due to the disappointing fact that there are so many uncontrollable factors in every season’s journey. Despite this, our team is all about pursuing this emotionally taxing journey. This is what brings the excitement and passion to hockey and all sports. During the season, a player doesn’t know if he is going to get in the line-up, be a top scorer, or be on the best ranked team in the nation. One thing that is important to our program is its culture. Our culture is to pursue that unknown together, as a team. We work extremely hard to pursue our goals. We don’t worry about how our play is judged by others, based on wins and losses. Our players judge themselves upon how hard they prepared, and how hard they played. Even when a setback hits our program, we understand that the only option is to stick together as a team and get back to work, without fear of the unknown to begin another journey.
To our Lynah faithful, alumni, and every fan who has cheered for the Big Red- I am so glad that you had the opportunity to watch these young men play hockey this year. They are a special group that truly committed to getting better each day and were never worried about how people judged them. They worked to pursue a dream, without fear of failure. This team is a very close group who were selfless, and played with pride for each other, proud to wear Cornell University’s colors, and proud to have the best fan base in the country made up of all of you. Working for many years with many different teams, you start to get a sense of which teams are destined to accomplish great things. This is one of those teams. They accomplished an Ivy League Championship, ECAC regular season Championship, a fourth consecutive NCAA bid, and a number one seed in the NCAA Tournament. We were feeling really good about entering the tournament healthy and playing with a passion and a hunger to win both the ECAC and the National Championship. Despite not being able to have this opportunity, I am very proud of what our program accomplished this season, and of the season as a whole.
I feel very fortunate and privileged to coach these young men. I am very proud of my team, our staff and to be coaching at Cornell University.
Thank you so much for being a part of our team's success this year and LET’S GO RED!
Mike Schafer
mcs14@cornell.edu
607-327-1069

Trotsky

Rebuttal:

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ugarte
My honest, no-joke, opinion is that a banner acknowledging that we finished The Season of The Plague in #1 in the polls is a reasonable hearkening back to the pre-playoffs college football era. This year's teams - men's and women's - deserve to be remembered, even if it's just a second accolade on the ECAC regular season championship banners.

Dafatone

ugarte
My honest, no-joke, opinion is that a banner acknowledging that we finished The Season of The Plague in #1 in the polls is a reasonable hearkening back to the pre-playoffs college football era. This year's teams - men's and women's - deserve to be remembered, even if it's just a second accolade on the ECAC regular season championship banners.

Maybe just a banner with our record. Don't claim a championship or a title or a ranking. Just the record.

It's too good a year to not be honored at all.

Trotsky

Dafatone

ugarte
My honest, no-joke, opinion is that a banner acknowledging that we finished The Season of The Plague in #1 in the polls is a reasonable hearkening back to the pre-playoffs college football era. This year's teams - men's and women's - deserve to be remembered, even if it's just a second accolade on the ECAC regular season championship banners.

Maybe just a banner with our record. Don't claim a championship or a title or a ranking. Just the record.

It's too good a year to not be honored at all.

Ivy Title banner. They're honored.

Trotsky

Dafatone

ugarte
My honest, no-joke, opinion is that a banner acknowledging that we finished The Season of The Plague in #1 in the polls is a reasonable hearkening back to the pre-playoffs college football era. This year's teams - men's and women's - deserve to be remembered, even if it's just a second accolade on the ECAC regular season championship banners.

Maybe just a banner with our record. Don't claim a championship or a title or a ranking. Just the record.

It's too good a year to not be honored at all.

Ivy Title banner. They're honored.

BearLover
It is bizarre to me that some on this forum would prefer to act as though this season reached a real conclusion rather than honor the players whose season was cut short.

Trotsky

BearLover
It is bizarre to me that some on this forum would prefer to act as though this season reached a real conclusion rather than honor the players whose season was cut short.

But to be honest I am all for burning one fan in effigy to honor the team. As long as we can vote.

Hint: this year it aint you.

nshapiro
Maybe if we did it as a sacrifice to the Hockey Gods a few weeks ago, it could have done some good.

Trotsky

nshapiro
Maybe if we did it as a sacrifice to the Hockey Gods a few weeks ago, it could have done some good.

A pandemic is a bit above the pay grade of the Hockey Gods.

Dafatone

ugarte
My honest, no-joke, opinion is that a banner acknowledging that we finished The Season of The Plague in #1 in the polls is a reasonable hearkening back to the pre-playoffs college football era. This year's teams - men's and women's - deserve to be remembered, even if it's just a second accolade on the ECAC regular season championship banners.

Maybe just a banner with our record. Don't claim a championship or a title or a ranking. Just the record.

It's too good a year to not be honored at all.

jtwcornell91

Dafatone

ugarte
My honest, no-joke, opinion is that a banner acknowledging that we finished The Season of The Plague in #1 in the polls is a reasonable hearkening back to the pre-playoffs college football era. This year's teams - men's and women's - deserve to be remembered, even if it's just a second accolade on the ECAC regular season championship banners.

Maybe just a banner with our record. Don't claim a championship or a title or a ranking. Just the record.

It's too good a year to not be honored at all.

This. The circumstances of this season were unique, and it's appropriate to commemorate the teams' great seasons without trying to invent a special title for it. Just a simple banner with the year and the men's and women's W-L-T records. It could hang at the end of the rink next to the Olympians banners.

Trotsky

BearLover

abmarks

BearLover

Jeff Hopkins '82

cuhockey93
Is Cornell going to claim a national championship? Not that I want us to do it but given how Alabama claims hilarious National Championships I could somehow see it.

I'd like to think we're better than that.

I would like to see Cornell commemorate this season in some way, including hanging a banner that recognizes we were the #1 team in the country when the season concluded.

He's back on the checking line folks...

It'd be one thing if they were undefeated at this point, but cmon, a banner would be absolute weaksauce, and I can't imagine the players and coaches would feel good about it. NHL players know not to even touch the cup unless and until they've won it, right?

One of the best years in the history of Cornell Hockey cut short due to no fault of the team. They could have won the ECAC, they could have won it all. Other programs can, and do, put up whatever banners they want. If you finish the season #1 in the country, you deserve to be recognized. This team is deserving of recognition and appreciation and a banner is one way of showing it. And one for the women's team too while we're at it.

Rebuttal:

gettyimages-82702975-e1434032808178.jpg

Dafatone

ugarte
My honest, no-joke, opinion is that a banner acknowledging that we finished The Season of The Plague in #1 in the polls is a reasonable hearkening back to the pre-playoffs college football era. This year's teams - men's and women's - deserve to be remembered, even if it's just a second accolade on the ECAC regular season championship banners.

Maybe just a banner with our record. Don't claim a championship or a title or a ranking. Just the record.

It's too good a year to not be honored at all.

abmarks

Dafatone

ugarte
My honest, no-joke, opinion is that a banner acknowledging that we finished The Season of The Plague in #1 in the polls is a reasonable hearkening back to the pre-playoffs college football era. This year's teams - men's and women's - deserve to be remembered, even if it's just a second accolade on the ECAC regular season championship banners.

Maybe just a banner with our record. Don't claim a championship or a title or a ranking. Just the record.

It's too good a year to not be honored at all.

All this banner nonsense has nothing to do with the team themselves. It's about your butthurt feelings from losing out on the chance to watch and possibly experience *your* dreams of celebrating a winner. You want a banner to make you feel better.

Next time someone bumps into one of the coaches or one of the players, ask them what they think and report back what you find out. I can't believe any of them want a banner.

P.s. while you're at it, how about agitating for banners or whatever for the wrestlers that had a great chance of hitting the All American mark.

The Rancor
Can't they play the tournament in the summer, when this dies down a bit?

Dafatone

The Rancor
Can't they play the tournament in the summer, when this dies down a bit?

I wondered that, too. A friend pointed out that for graduated seniors, it may be difficult to get them on the ice if they're either the property of a pro team or off working at an actual job.

But even if that's the case, maybe they could swing something together. If you told me that we'd play the NCAAs in August but our seniors (and almost assuredly Barron) were gone, I'd take it.

I do know keeping ice frozen in the summer can be tough, and that's setting aside the question of whether things will have died down.

redice

Dafatone

The Rancor
Can't they play the tournament in the summer, when this dies down a bit?

I wondered that, too. A friend pointed out that for graduated seniors, it may be difficult to get them on the ice if they're either the property of a pro team or off working at an actual job.

But even if that's the case, maybe they could swing something together. If you told me that we'd play the NCAAs in August but our seniors (and almost assuredly Barron) were gone, I'd take it.

I do know keeping ice frozen in the summer can be tough, and that's setting aside the question of whether things will have died down.

Not to mention that re-creating the chemistry that has us on a nine game winning streak would be difficult. And, imagine the muscle-strains.... UGH!!

abmarks
A columnist in North Dakota agrees with the people wanting banners. Pretty well argued opinion

[www.grandforksherald.com]

osorojo
Grim reality: Reputable sources all predict a 1 to 1-1/2 year wait before an effective inoculation against coronavirus is available to the public. On the bright side, Cornellians would be able to make a reasonable claim their women's and men's ice hockey teams were both national champions for two consecutive years.

CU2007

osorojo
Grim reality: Reputable sources all predict a 1 to 1-1/2 year wait before an effective inoculation against coronavirus is available to the public. On the bright side, Cornellians would be able to make a reasonable claim their women's and men's ice hockey teams were both national champions for two consecutive years.

How so? Already slowing down significantly in China, Singapore etc

The Rancor
Can't they play the tournament in the summer, when this dies down a bit?

• Would you be in favor?
• Would you want a banner if we won?
• Would you want a banner if we qualified (which would be almost certain)?

• The top team according to pwr?
• The top team according to polls?
• The top 4 teams at the end of the shortened season?
• The Top 16?
• All teams who were stilly playing in their conference championships (on the theory they still had a chance)?

abmarks
A columnist in North Dakota agrees with the people wanting banners. Pretty well argued opinion

[www.grandforksherald.com]

original Grand Forks Herald
In that sense, UND and Cornell (which is USCHO's No. 1) are every bit as deserving of the national champion label as Nebraska's 1994 football team, Michigan's 1997 team, all those lauded Notre Dame football teams and so many others.
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Hang a banner. But make this one black.
...
UND would have to decide the exact label that goes on the banner. It cannot say NCAA national champions, but it could be Pairwise national champions, Pairwise champions, No. 1-ranked, 26-5-4 or something along those lines.

It also would have to decide where to place it. It could be permanently at the end of the green or white banners -- never going between them even when UND raises more. It could be on a different side of the rink, too, completely on its own.

edited Grand Forks Herald
In that sense, UND and Cornell's men's and women's teams (which are USCHO's & USA Today's No. 1's) are every bit as deserving of the national champion label as Nebraska's 1994 football team, Michigan's 1997 team, all those lauded Notre Dame football teams and so many others.
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Hang banners. But make them black.
...
Cornell would have to decide the exact label that goes on the banners. They cannot say NCAA national champions, but they both could say "#1 National USCHO & USA Today Polls" or something along these lines, and the women's could also say whatever UND's says about Pairwise.

It also would have to decide where to place them. It could be permanently at the end of the red or white banners -- never going between them even when Cornell raises more. It could be on a different side of the rink, too, completely on their own.

Swampy

abmarks
A columnist in North Dakota agrees with the people wanting banners. Pretty well argued opinion

[www.grandforksherald.com]

original Grand Forks Herald
In that sense, UND and Cornell (which is USCHO's No. 1) are every bit as deserving of the national champion label as Nebraska's 1994 football team, Michigan's 1997 team, all those lauded Notre Dame football teams and so many others.
...
Hang a banner. But make this one black.
...
UND would have to decide the exact label that goes on the banner. It cannot say NCAA national champions, but it could be Pairwise national champions, Pairwise champions, No. 1-ranked, 26-5-4 or something along those lines.

It also would have to decide where to place it. It could be permanently at the end of the green or white banners -- never going between them even when UND raises more. It could be on a different side of the rink, too, completely on its own.

edited Grand Forks Herald
In that sense, UND and Cornell's men's and women's teams (which are USCHO's & USA Today's No. 1's) are every bit as deserving of the national champion label as Nebraska's 1994 football team, Michigan's 1997 team, all those lauded Notre Dame football teams and so many others.
...
Hang banners. But make them black.
...
Cornell would have to decide the exact label that goes on the banners. They cannot say NCAA national champions, but they both could say "#1 National USCHO & USA Today Polls" or something along these lines, and the women's could also say whatever UND's says about Pairwise.

It also would have to decide where to place them. It could be permanently at the end of the red or white banners -- never going between them even when Cornell raises more. It could be on a different side of the rink, too, completely on their own.

I'm on board with this.

ugarte
hang a banner that says nothing but 2020* for all i care but this season was great until it was short-circuited

1.000  1970  29-0-0
 .948  1967  27-1-1
 .931  1969  27-2-0
 .931  1968  27-2-0
 .862  2020  23-2-4
 .847  2003  30-5-1
 .815  1971  22-5-0
 .815  1966  22-5-0
 .814  2005  27-5-3
 .793  1972  23-6-0
 .788  2018  25-6-2

In lieu of any NCAA or pro sporting events to broadcast, I’d like to offer ESPN and other outlets the opportunity to televise my wife and me playing Scrabble and cooking Bolognese while we debate whether that guy in this TV show is the same as that other guy from that one movie.

— Tundra British Columbia Headhunters Circus (@BeeeejEsq) March 12, 2020

Trotsky
This was Cornell's 5th best winning percentage in the Lynah Era:

1.000  1970  29-0-0
 .948  1967  27-1-1
 .931  1969  27-2-0
 .931  1968  27-2-0
 .862  2020  23-2-4
 .847  2003  30-5-1
 .815  1971  22-5-0
 .815  1966  22-5-0
 .814  2005  27-5-3
 .793  1972  23-6-0
 .788  2018  25-6-2

Swampy

The Rancor
Can't they play the tournament in the summer, when this dies down a bit?

What IF (and this is a BIG if), the NCAA and Ivy League were to schedule a preseason, 2020 NC tourney next fall among the 4 #1 seeds, including special status for players who graduated and/or went pro?

• Would you be in favor?
• Would you want a banner if we won?
• Would you want a banner if we qualified (which would be almost certain)?

This is partly wishful thinking and partly hypothetical to examine the issue of a banner.

And, this may be a bit more likely, what if the NCAA voted to award a shared NC to:

• The top team according to pwr?
• The top team according to polls?
• The top 4 teams at the end of the shortened season?
• The Top 16?
• All teams who were stilly playing in their conference championships (on the theory they still had a chance)?

Trotsky
This was Cornell's 5th best winning percentage in the Lynah Era:

1.000  1970  29-0-0
 .948  1967  27-1-1
 .931  1969  27-2-0
 .931  1968  27-2-0
 .862  2020  23-2-4
 .847  2003  30-5-1
 .815  1971  22-5-0
 .815  1966  22-5-0
 .814  2005  27-5-3
 .793  1972  23-6-0
 .788  2018  25-6-2

Swampy

Trotsky
This was Cornell's 5th best winning percentage in the Lynah Era:

1.000  1970  29-0-0
 .948  1967  27-1-1
 .931  1969  27-2-0
 .931  1968  27-2-0
 .862  2020  23-2-4
 .847  2003  30-5-1
 .815  1971  22-5-0
 .815  1966  22-5-0
 .814  2005  27-5-3
 .793  1972  23-6-0
 .788  2018  25-6-2

I’m glad you presented this. The article about UND also says this year’s (UND) team had the school’s fifth highest winning percentage in modern history. Interestingly, our current recent .862 is higher than their highest year’s .833. At first I thought this was just an artifact of us playing in a weaker league (it is to some extent) because their list includes 3 national championships, but then I looked at our list, with its two national championships plus two losses in the national championship finals, and compared this year’s team to some of the illustrious years below it, and I realized our record is very comparable to UND’s. This year’s season ranks among the best seasons not only in Cornell hockey history, but in college hockey history. And had the team been allowed to finish the season, I have no doubt it’s final winning percentage would have considerably higher.

ursusminor

Swampy

Trotsky
This was Cornell's 5th best winning percentage in the Lynah Era:

1.000  1970  29-0-0
 .948  1967  27-1-1
 .931  1969  27-2-0
 .931  1968  27-2-0
 .862  2020  23-2-4
 .847  2003  30-5-1
 .815  1971  22-5-0
 .815  1966  22-5-0
 .814  2005  27-5-3
 .793  1972  23-6-0
 .788  2018  25-6-2

I’m glad you presented this. The article about UND also says this year’s (UND) team had the school’s fifth highest winning percentage in modern history. Interestingly, our current recent .862 is higher than their highest year’s .833. At first I thought this was just an artifact of us playing in a weaker league (it is to some extent) because their list includes 3 national championships, but then I looked at our list, with its two national championships plus two losses in the national championship finals, and compared this year’s team to some of the illustrious years below it, and I realized our record is very comparable to UND’s. This year’s season ranks among the best seasons not only in Cornell hockey history, but in college hockey history. And had the team been allowed to finish the season, I have no doubt it’s final winning percentage would have considerably higher.

As an RPI fan, I know that I am treading on thin ice whenever I disagree with someone here. If Cornell were to have won the NCAA championship after going undefeated in the ECAC playoffs, they would have a 31-2-4 record for a .892 winning percentage, and one could argue that .892 is considerably higher than the current .862. However, if they won everything until the final game, they would have a 30-3-4 record for a .865 winning percentage which is only marginally better than .862. If they did anything less than that, their percentage would be lower. E.g., a semifinal loss would result in a 29-3-4 record with a .861 percentage, very slightly lower. (A National Championship with a loss in the three-game second round of the ECAC tourney would be 31-3-4 record with a .868 which is also only slightly better than the current record.)

None of this was meant to detract from Cornell's performance this season.

ursusminor

Swampy

Trotsky
This was Cornell's 5th best winning percentage in the Lynah Era:

1.000  1970  29-0-0
 .948  1967  27-1-1
 .931  1969  27-2-0
 .931  1968  27-2-0
 .862  2020  23-2-4
 .847  2003  30-5-1
 .815  1971  22-5-0
 .815  1966  22-5-0
 .814  2005  27-5-3
 .793  1972  23-6-0
 .788  2018  25-6-2

I’m glad you presented this. The article about UND also says this year’s (UND) team had the school’s fifth highest winning percentage in modern history. Interestingly, our current recent .862 is higher than their highest year’s .833. At first I thought this was just an artifact of us playing in a weaker league (it is to some extent) because their list includes 3 national championships, but then I looked at our list, with its two national championships plus two losses in the national championship finals, and compared this year’s team to some of the illustrious years below it, and I realized our record is very comparable to UND’s. This year’s season ranks among the best seasons not only in Cornell hockey history, but in college hockey history. And had the team been allowed to finish the season, I have no doubt it’s final winning percentage would have considerably higher.

As an RPI fan, I know that I am treading on thin ice whenever I disagree with someone here. If Cornell were to have won the NCAA championship after going undefeated in the ECAC playoffs, they would have a 31-2-4 record for a .892 winning percentage, and one could argue that .892 is considerably higher than the current .862. However, if they won everything until the final game, they would have a 30-3-4 record for a .865 winning percentage which is only marginally better than .862. If they did anything less than that, their percentage would be lower. E.g., a semifinal loss would result in a 29-3-4 record with a .861 percentage, very slightly lower. (A National Championship with a loss in the three-game second round of the ECAC tourney would be 31-3-4 record with a .868 which is also only slightly better than the current record.)

None of this was meant to detract from Cornell's performance this season.

ugarte

ursusminor

Swampy

Trotsky
This was Cornell's 5th best winning percentage in the Lynah Era:

1.000  1970  29-0-0
 .948  1967  27-1-1
 .931  1969  27-2-0
 .931  1968  27-2-0
 .862  2020  23-2-4
 .847  2003  30-5-1
 .815  1971  22-5-0
 .815  1966  22-5-0
 .814  2005  27-5-3
 .793  1972  23-6-0
 .788  2018  25-6-2

I’m glad you presented this. The article about UND also says this year’s (UND) team had the school’s fifth highest winning percentage in modern history. Interestingly, our current recent .862 is higher than their highest year’s .833. At first I thought this was just an artifact of us playing in a weaker league (it is to some extent) because their list includes 3 national championships, but then I looked at our list, with its two national championships plus two losses in the national championship finals, and compared this year’s team to some of the illustrious years below it, and I realized our record is very comparable to UND’s. This year’s season ranks among the best seasons not only in Cornell hockey history, but in college hockey history. And had the team been allowed to finish the season, I have no doubt it’s final winning percentage would have considerably higher.

As an RPI fan, I know that I am treading on thin ice whenever I disagree with someone here. If Cornell were to have won the NCAA championship after going undefeated in the ECAC playoffs, they would have a 31-2-4 record for a .892 winning percentage, and one could argue that .892 is considerably higher than the current .862. However, if they won everything until the final game, they would have a 30-3-4 record for a .865 winning percentage which is only marginally better than .862. If they did anything less than that, their percentage would be lower. E.g., a semifinal loss would result in a 29-3-4 record with a .861 percentage, very slightly lower. (A National Championship with a loss in the three-game second round of the ECAC tourney would be 31-3-4 record with a .868 which is also only slightly better than the current record.)

None of this was meant to detract from Cornell's performance this season.

how dare you, sir

redice
From a USA Today article this morning:

"The NCAA on Friday announced that
Division I athletes could regain lost eligibility
for spring sports seasons that were
canceled due to the pandemic. College
sports’ governing body is also considering
enacting similar waivers for athletes
in winter sports – including men’s basketball......"

Yes, this article was about basketball. But, if they're considering it for basketball, is it a stretch to think that hockey could be included?

Dafatone

redice
From a USA Today article this morning:

"The NCAA on Friday announced that
Division I athletes could regain lost eligibility
for spring sports seasons that were
canceled due to the pandemic. College
sports’ governing body is also considering
enacting similar waivers for athletes
in winter sports – including men’s basketball......"

Yes, this article was about basketball. But, if they're considering it for basketball, is it a stretch to think that hockey could be included?

That would be good and fair. But the more cutthroat part of me worries it would help a lot of opposing teams more. Kaldis was absolutely crucial to this team. Malott was very good. Bauld played an important role. But those are our only seniors, compared to other teams that may have more.

Swampy
The possibility of extending eligibility also raises an interesting question. According to BRPH, we have five players coming in next fall. If any of this year's seniors or juniors (I'm looking at you, Morgan Barron) decide to stay around to finish unfinished business, would Schafer hold up some of the incoming 2020's?

redice
From a USA Today article this morning:

"The NCAA on Friday announced that
Division I athletes could regain lost eligibility
for spring sports seasons that were
canceled due to the pandemic. College
sports’ governing body is also considering
enacting similar waivers for athletes
in winter sports – including men’s basketball......"

Yes, this article was about basketball. But, if they're considering it for basketball, is it a stretch to think that hockey could be included?

Jeff Hopkins '82
Here's a thought about players jumping early to the pros: One of the drivers was to get a pro contract for the remaining part of the current season. With the NHL and AHL on "hiatus" and not even knowing of there will be a remaining season, how likely will they be to sign players right now?

So I expect we're probably not going to hear a lot about player signings for a while.

Trotsky

redice
From a USA Today article this morning:

"The NCAA on Friday announced that
Division I athletes could regain lost eligibility
for spring sports seasons that were
canceled due to the pandemic. College
sports’ governing body is also considering
enacting similar waivers for athletes
in winter sports – including men’s basketball......"

Yes, this article was about basketball. But, if they're considering it for basketball, is it a stretch to think that hockey could be included?

I heard an intelligent conversation about this this morning on XM with of all people Rand Pecknold. He set a new record by managing not to be a prick for an entire 10-minute interview (in fact the radio personality dude was a much bigger asshole) and spoke to the problem of the incoming freshmen.

Let it go. They had a long, long season. It sucks but act of god (exacerbated by morons).

Trotsky
It sucks but act of god (exacerbated by morons).

billhoward

Trotsky
It sucks but act of god (exacerbated by morons).

Translate this to Latin and you could etch this over the entrance to any country's capitol building, university administration archway, school of refereeing, military academy, or tech startup.

JasonN95
ESPN article about lost opportunity for double national championships for Cornell:

[apple.news]

The Rancor

JasonN95
ESPN article about lost opportunity for double national championships for Cornell:

[apple.news]

red helmets at home?