Cornell vs. UNH scores and updates- spoilers inside

so i am bored waiting for lecture to start so i figured i would start this off

let's go RED!



Post Edited (04-10-03 09:54)

Palahicky I believe.

They called the goal back.

Scott,

How much time in the period & why was goal called back

Any score yet? I'm stuck at work....

UNH 1, Cornell 0. End of first period. Cornell's goal was disallowed.

After a long delay, they decided that Palahicky's stick was too high. Replays showed it was really close. The rule is 4ft. Not sure how they determine that from a replay.

They said that Palahichy high sticked the goal hence the call back. He hacked it out od the air but contact with the puck looked to be below tittie level - if thats 4 ft, its damn close and I don't know how they could overturn conclusively, but they did.

An absolutely horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE use of instant replay. The delay was about 5 minutes (it seemed far longer), and ESPN2's "sideline reporter" reported that it was "chaos in the replay booth." The rule is that if the tape is inconclusive, the on-ice call stands (the on-ice call was a goal); you tell me: if it takes 5 minutes to look at what amounts to two camera angles over and over and over and over, how can you then say the replay was conclusive?

A TERRIBLE call....

Harumph,

ZD

yeah just saw it on replay - it was damn close. i think that they should have gone with the original ref call on the ice, whichever that was

I didn't see it, but the UH announcers doing the audio were shocked that the goal was disallowed, and these guys are completely biased in favor of UH.

damn i was hoping that it was obvious after hearing on the radio in teh car that it was disallowed. this is makes me mad

UNH 2 Cornell 0

3-0 UNH. Ugh

unh 3 Cornell 0



What is happening?

7:10 of 2nd period

3-0 Aaarg!
The obvious bias of the UNH announcer isn't helping.

The penalty that led to that goal was rediculous. I dont mean to be a homer, so stop me if I am, but how is it interference when the defensive player launches the offensive player into the goalie?

I'm watching on TV. Believe me, it sucks listening to these clowns too.

It's the Frozen Four, and they didn't come to play. So much for the season. Seriously - this is absolutely pathetic.



Post Edited (04-10-03 22:01)

GOAL!

UNH 3 Cornell 1

Though as I say that...Vesce scores on the PP. It's 3-1

3-1 UNH end of two.

The third UHN goal did come on a questionable power play (goaltender interference when our forward was pushed into Ayers), but Lenny has no one but himself to blame for the third goal...it was truly his worst one allowed of the year (and I'm including the Colgate road goal). Think both of Cornell's goals against BC, and multiply by two.

The disallowed goal killed our momentum, but it's Schafer's responsibility to keep the boys sky-high, and he failed to do that. To Mike's credit, the timeout he called during the scoring PP was a terrific call, but otherwise I can't believe how flat we look. Truly unfortunate. There's no way we beat BC in the regionals if we'd played like this.

One more period to go. Here's hoping it's a memorable one.


ZD

Oh come on, Avash. They completely outplayed UNH for the first 10 minutes and looked really sharp out of the gate. I don't think it is at all fair to say that they have not come to play. We are playing an outstanding team and have gotten some tough breaks.

Yeah...I guess I'm just disappointed

BUT....Here's to hoping we get it together for the 3rd period....

well i came home from school just to watch this...and it's not quite worth it...yet. i believe we can step up and win, but right now we pretty much suck. i swear this isnt cornell playing. and thats not leneveu he can do soo much better. and they arent hitting...they are just starting to get back to hitting at the end of the 2nd. i know we can win this game but we have to come out and play the 3rd period differently then we have played the 1st and 2nd periods...so, do the guys answer their cell phones on break? i have a lot to say to them.....(im kidding.....)

haha it looks like ayers pulled a muscle...groin? i really hope he hurt himself. we need someone new to test...not someone thats 2nd in the nation breatheing down lennys back.

and that palahicky goal was totally a goal.....the reffs are pissing me off

LETS GO RED
the abbott fan

Ten minutes to go and down by two....

3-2 Abbott!!!

ZD

We just scored.

(Boy, that disallowed goal....oh never mind)

ZD

UNH 3 Cornell 2

Hey ABBOTT! GOAL! 3-2

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WOOOHOOO!! both chris and cam are getting a dozen roses each from me on sunday
LETS GO REEEEEDDD
the abbott fan

8 minutes to go....Cornell turned it up a notch...

6:50 left

faceoff in offensive zone


ZD

6:50 to go...

Now 5:18. Still no real chances, but Ayers is *flopping*....


ZD

4:49 to go....

Some hands, some hands...my kingdom for some hands...

Good possession, but Palihicky whiffs...

ZD

19,202 in attendance??? Really??? I see a lot of empty seats. Those who went will have to tell us if it really was packed.

Under 4:00 to go...not looking good...

ZD

You have to got to be SHITTING me.

High sticking minor with 3:08 left. Bullshit. Man.


ZD

Stupid penalty with 3 minutes to go...

Huge save by Lenny with 2:00 left to go...

ZD

Penalty killed 1:00 left ugh

ZD

Lenny to the bench....

Faceoff in UHN end with 0:49 left. Lenny pulled.

Faceoff was because referee fell down. Argh.


ZD

All done. Dammit.

ZD

Game over.

FUCK

damn

A terrific, unbelievable, gratifying season. Not the way we'd like to see it end, but I'll never forget this year. Way to go seniors...you gave us a thrill, indeed.

(And yes, we'll be replaying that disallowed goal for many years to come.)

Let's Go Red!!!!!

ZD



Post Edited (04-10-03 14:37)

Great season despite the disappointing end.

See you all next year...

Kyle

i can not believe this! they totally BLEW it! they had it all they were so prepared!! i cant believe this i am in shock......how could they do this? how could they blow there chance? where were their heads? how come they werent hitting??? I CAN NOT BELIEVE WE JUST LOST THAT GAME! i wish we could take it all back. i wish we could start all over. that was the worst hockey game i have ever seen. WHAT THE HELL WHERE THEY THINKING?!

that is sooo sad. i can not believe this.

the abbott fan

A rope
A tree

Fill in the rest...though it might have to be the replay booth.

What a momentum killer...and I think I'll shoot myself if I ever have to listen to UHN radio again.

I am numb. So close. On the doorstep with 30 seconds left, but not a lot of room to put the puck and it went high.

Got a pair of tickets to the final for sale.

Argh...
I guess there will be no gathering at the Scores on Saturday...

Where were the seniors today? NOWHERE. They may have come out well the first 10 minutes, but let's be honest, not THAT well. The 3rd UNH goal was all Lenny's fault, and as great as our freshmen our supposed to be, of course it was one of them who took a stupid, stupid penalty with 3 minutes to go in the game. Shane Hynes should be ashamed - honestly. That was the dumbest thing I've seen a player on our team do all year.

Sure we had a good year, but I for one am disappointed, and NOT satisfied at all. We looked awful for most of the game today; the power play was pathetic, and we were sloppy and flat. Way to show up for the game, guys.

Turns out they didn't deserve to win anyway, and for that, I am PISSED off.



Post Edited (04-10-03 16:10)

Three words:

We were robbed.

I was sure that last shot was going in. But it was right off the goalies face...
And the shot off the post...
And the called back goal...

A great season, though, and lots to be hopeful about. I'm crushed though.

Thank you seniors, thank you team; for the most exciting season I've ever watched.

No, we were not robbed. The called-off goal was called off perfectly legitimately: it broke the 4' rule pretty obviously, even from the TV replay, and like it or not, THAT'S THE RULE.

The fact is, we gave it away. Cornell played very poorly compared to how they have played for most of the rest of the season, and deserved to lose. Does it hurt? Yep. Life's a bitch sometimes.

Kyle

Three things:

1. We very well may have been robbed.

2. That shouldn't have mattered. They hung their heads after that disallowed goal, and didn't step it up.

3. Lenny wasn't a God today at all. Second period: UNH had three shots. 2 went in.

I hate to blame the officials after a tough loss, but the no goal call may have cost us a chance at the national championship. We came out of the gate looking very strong, got the first goal, and then had all the wind taken out of our sails. This is exactly the kind of thing that instant replay should NOT be used for. How the hell are you supposed to tell definitively if the guy's stick was 4 feet off the ground on TV??!! If it takes you 5 minutes to make a decision, you've gotta go with the call on the ice. It may have been a high stick, but there is no way in hell that you can make that call in that situation. Unbelievable...

And I think with the exception of a couple very bad turnovers in the defensive zone we did not play that poorly. I think we outshot them pretty handily, didn't we?



Post Edited (04-10-03 15:02)

Avash...simmer down. Don't be a dick. You have no idea what was going through the players heads.

[Q]Avash...simmer down. Don't be a dick. You have no idea what was going through the players heads.[/Q]


I second that emotion. Simmer down.

And Graham's points echo my own from between the first and second periods: there's no way you should *ever* take 5 minutes to review a goal and then reverse the on-ice call. Horrible.

But you know what? It's sports, and no one ever promised that there is absolute justice in sports. We had our cracks. We didn't put 'em in. We go home. I, for one, am really proud of the Cornell jersey I'm still wearing right now.


ZD

I'm as proud of Cornell today as I was when I graduated in 1981. It was a great run, especially for us old alums who still follow the team....I was in Albany for the ECAC championship win. Great, great fun.

Class of '91 here. Proud as can be.

ZD

Okay okay....

I'm not saying I'm not proud of what they accomplished this season; all I'm saying is that I really don't think they were prepared enough for this game. Maybe it had to do with the time off, who knows. But they were so sloppy; I just couldn't believe what I was watching.

I've calmed down a bit now, but this one's going to take a while...

I hear ya. It's frustrating. Really, I didn't think they played that poorly...I still think we're the better team, but UHN does seem to have some kind of voodoo on us. A couple lousy turnovers, and the killer: the bad Lenny goal. But hell, the kid probably deserves the Hobey, so I think I'm willing to cut him some slack.

This senior class could've used just *one* more winger with a golden pair of hands. We had a lot of grunts who loved to do the dirty work, but never had that single sniper (a la Colin Hemingway who, come to think of it, was invisible this afternoon) to finish off hard-working plays.

Ah, well. Here's hoping Lenny stays, though I kind of think he'd be crazy if he did....

ZD

Too bad we didn't play the whole game like we played the first and last ten minutes. It was like two different Cornell team. Oh, well.

You're not helping your case Avash. Not prepared enough? What are you talking about? UNH was the best team we've played all year and, despite a bad stretch in the late 1st and early 2nd periods, we had our chances to beat them. Hockey is a funny sport; whole games can turn on a few minutes or even seconds of play. We definitely had a bad letdown for a while after the no-goal, but I don't see how you can attribute that to a lack of preparation. Lenny let in a soft one. It happens. No way am I going to accuse him of not having his head in this game.

This hurts like crazy now. But I don't think that a sophomore who has been on campus for two of the best seasons in recent Cornell history can fully understand what this team has done, notwithstanding this loss. If you had told me when I came to Cornell in 1998 that the team would be ranked #1 in the nation within 5 years I never would have believed you. I think we lose sight of that because of how great the team has been all year.

Of course someone is going to come on here and say,"well the season means nothing if you can't win the big one." Well this team has won the big ones all year. Unfortunately they lost today. If they played UNH again tomorrow, they might win. I'm not going to say this season has been a failure because of one loss. This team has put three banners in the rafters, gained a lot of respect for our storied program, and given a lot of us quite a bit to be happy about for the last four some-odd months.

LGR!



Post Edited (04-10-03 15:24)

n phoenix 12, you are scum for rooting for someone on the other team (especially the goalie, after Exter) to be hurt - grow up or leave so you don't give us all a bad name.

Lenny was mortal today, and we didn't play our best game. THE CALL was doubtful, IMHO, but we've benefitted alot from waved off goals ourselves in the last few games ( 2 v. Hahvahd, 1 v. BC), and we should have been able to shake it off - instead we crumpled, for the first time all year.

We picked a bad time for our worst effort of the year, just like UNH did last year. We'll be back next year. LGR!!!

I'm sorry, but this was not the worst effort of the year. One goal loss to UNH is a little better than a one goal loss to Colgate, a 3 goal loss to Dartmouth, or even a 1 goal win over Princeton. It just feels the worst because of how much was riding on it.



Post Edited (04-10-03 15:30)

Hey Avash,

Go SCREW YOURSELF!!!! You are the most pathetic fan I have ever seen!

Best,
Ogie

Ha, why? Because I'm pointing out that we didn't play well for the majority of the game? I don't really see what's wrong with pointing that out. Given, that particular post was written right after we lost, and I was angry and upset, and it might be a little more toned down now, but I still maintain that even though the first few minutes were decent, even though the last few minutes were decent, it was the team's responsibility to lift each other up after the disallowed goal, and for some reason, they didn't.

Don't question how good of a fan I am either. Anyone who knows me will tell you that hockey, and Cornell hockey especially, is what I talk about all day long.

Fair enough, Graham. I agree with most of what you are saying.

Now that I'm perfectly calm ...

I'm certainly not saying that the season didn't mean anything. It meant so, so much, and I'm just upset it's not going to continue.

That said, I really hope Lenny comes back next year, because despite what we're losing, I think we really get back to this level again.

ok i wasnt hopeing he was seriously hurt (especially after exter, that shit wasn't funny) but it's an advantage when someone on the other team (especially a goalie) is tired out or has pulled a muscle. If he was taken off the ice and couldn't play for the rest of the season, i wouldn't have said that. but he was fine, so obviously it was just a bruise, that could of given us a tiny advantage if our players had stepped up. the kid's ok, we lost and thats the end of it. anything else you want to jump on my case about? i'm not in the mood. we have other things to worry about then my comment about the goalie's groin.
the abbott fan

By the way, I like how you went from a discussion of the hockey team's performance today to an unwarranted personal attack. If that makes you feel better about things, fine, but I'm not about to counter it with an attack on you - especially since I don't pretend to know anything about you at all.

I'd rather talk about just what went wrong today. It's quite obvious that everyone, including myself, is a bit on edge due to the disappointment, but I don't think this is the time for a Red fan to insult another.

You said:

"I don't want hear all this bullshit about "oh it was a great season, so gratifying, etc. etc." On the biggest moment of their hockey lives so far, every single one of them choked."

You are absolutely wrong. They outplayed UNH 3/4 of the game. You must have been watching another game b/c I thought they were all giving 100%. Maybe they didn't play their best game of the year, but you can't say the didn't put the effort out there. We had so many chances and Ayers had a fantastic game. I call you pathetic b/c right when they don't win one game you say you aren't satisfied with our season. This is arguably the 2nd best Cornell hockey team EVER and you turn your back on them 5 minutes after their final game. That is why you SUCK!

Best,
Ogie

I think that passions are running a bit high and we all need to calm down and have a nice big group hug....mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmMMMMMMMMM. I feel better now.

A lot happened that game both good and bad. The controversy aside, it was not our best effort. We dug a deep deep hole. We darn near climbed out. They came within a hair of another miraculous combeack.

I know that the team is sick of moral victories but they scored another today. It was 3-0. They did not fold.

One other silver lining. Could this leave Lenny a bit hungry? Hungry enough to return?

Roy

Funny. You picked that quote right before I was about to edit it out as I, "upon review," also decided that it was too harsh and written without much thought behind it.

Now just for one minute, give me a break. I was just as upset as everybody else was. Am I satisfied with what we accomplished this season? Yes, but I really thought we had a terrific chance to go all the way.

And as for your final comment about me turning my back on them, that's just absurd. Never did, never will, despite me being upset over what happened today.

Any other reasons why I suck?

Lenny will return. He won't want to go out like that. The kid is a trooper. He'll be back, and so will the rest of our boys. (Ok, the 44 year old alum has to go back to work now....).

Oh chill, they looked great for most of the game. Do you honestly think shane Hynes meant to high-stick.? They didn't look they bad, UNH is just a great team. Lenny should not have let in the last two goals, but that's life. Bâby hit a helmet and Paolini hit a post. These things happen. Get over it. It was a great season.

I have always maintained that you could/should/would win a game if and when you put 30+ shots on goal. We did not today, and it did not surprise me that we lost. Experience counts, as evidenced in our run in the ECAC tournament and the early rounds of NCAA. But, not having been to a Frozen Four since before most of the players were born, well, that put us at a disadvantage, as Mike Schafer so correctly pointed out in the press conference. The team did show up to play early on, but they seemed to have let the disallowed goal get the better of them and lost their usual game plan (I glean this from the articles, not from the radio broadcast, as I was in a meeting this morning CA time).

Sigh...I so wanted the magic to continue.

I'm gonna have to agree with ogie on this one, avash. It's alright to be upset and frustrated, we all are. But to question the team's preparation, motivation, or effort in this game is just not right. This was a great season for Cornell Hockey, and will help future teams, especially in the recruiting department.

Sure, the guys didn't play their best in the second, but if you think they weren't playing their hearts out in the third, then you must have been watching a game.

If you're a fan, you should support them in defeat as well as victory. Otherwise you're just a bandwaggoner.

---A different game, even.

Oh come on, just because of what I said doesn't mean I don't still support them. Alright, so I agree, they got some tough breaks today. After this settles in a bit, the team will look back and be proud of what happened this year, just like I will.

How about we end the bickering now? Fair enough?

Criticizing the team's effort after a heart-breaking 1 goal loss in the biggest game of the year doesn't seem like support to me. Neither does saying "Our players should be embarassed with themselves. It's the Frozen Four, and they didn't come to play. So much for the season. Seriously - this is absolutely pathetic." during the middle of the friggin game.

You should be embarassed with yourself. You support the team when things are going well, yet turn on them as soon as they struggle a little. There are words for people like you....

*cough* facetimer *cough*

oh come on cant we all just get along? avash is human (well im assuming) and he has opinions and tempers. im sure half of you agree with him, but probably feel like you have to chew him out cuz your pissed because we lost or something. but avash cooled off and apologized for being a little harsh so drop it ok...he has feelings and an opinion he can voice off and he shouldnt get screamed at by other fans. come on guys! we just lost a big game and the big red still need our support...stop argueing.
the abbott fan

Author: n phoenix '12 (---.twcny.rr.com)
Date: 04-10-03 14:38

i can not believe this! they totally BLEW it! they had it all they were so prepared!! i cant believe this i am in shock......how could they do this? how could they blow there chance? where were their heads? how come they werent hitting??? I CAN NOT BELIEVE WE JUST LOST THAT GAME! i wish we could take it all back. i wish we could start all over. that was the worst hockey game i have ever seen. WHAT THE HELL WHERE THEY THINKING?!

that is sooo sad. i can not believe this.

the abbott fan


Maybe you agreed with him...
You have the right to your opinions...but to trash the team after a hard fought loss...that's just plain wrong.

he was trashing the team....but thats because he was angry...and hes human and everyone does stuff like that when they are mad. he said he was sorry and you guys cant let it go. he's upset for them...avash probably wanted to win as much as cornell did. and thats where everything he said came from. let it go...
the abbott fan

A tough one to swallow. Cornell had the territorial edge, clearly, but UNH played well in their zone, limiting our quality chances. I think BC actually had better scoring chances in Providence, but today Lenny had a couple he would like back.

As a (fairly) old timer about to hit the 40 mark, I was fixated on following this team this team this year. Seeing them win in Albany with my daughter was a night I will always treasure. The disappointment from today will linger for awhile (I don't think I can watch the other game tonight, but I will probably watch on Saturday), and it is especially tough knowing that we were fully capable of winning it all -- reminds me of the '87 lax final at Rutgers where a hot Hopkins goalie stole one from us.

Best of luck to the seniors, and here's to hoping that it won't be another 23 years to the next Frozen Four (it seems the recruits we have coming in will certainly help maintain our physical style)!

Well said. Cornell came out firing and it didn't result in a goal. We had to fight back from a large deficit, a position that no team is good in, but did make it a close and exciting game. I've been following Cornell hockey since the day I got accepted and it peaked perfectly for me. We didn't win a national championship but I was thoroughly entertained this year and during my four years at Cornell, the team has reinforced my love for our school.

thanks abbott fan...and I am human

I second the motion of letting it go. I do apologize for saying certain things while I, like everyone else, was very emotional. We could go on all day saying how I shouldn't have said this, or I shouldn't have said that. But let's not do that, and just move on.

And "nobody @nowhere," I really am not a facetimer. Think what you want though...

You may not be a facetimer...but you are only a sophomore. You haven't paid your dues enough to go around criticizing this team.

A bit of perspective from someone who was around during the 69-72 run: There were some heartbreaking losses at the frozen four back then, too. The truth is that all the teams left standing at this point are great and will all be giving 110%. The games you see at this level won't be like what you see during the regular season. It may look like our guys are choking, but they're facing a skilled opponent also playing like there's no tomorrow. I would guess that any fan of any team yesterday would probably feel their guys were choking at some point during the game. Did you see the look on the faces of Umile and his players on the TV feed as the game wound down, even in the last minute? That was not a confident bunch.

I spent some time at Michigan after Cornell and also follow their program and can tell you that I had that same gut reaction watching the Wolverines, that they weren't playing their best during parts of that game. (A CU-UM final would have been awesome, but that's for another day.) You need to do a reality check about what all four teams are facing, in these situations. From the view of someone who watched two teams go down that I wanted to see win, Cornell was better disciplined, worked just as hard, and their power play was head and shoulders better than Michigan's. Overall the guys played very well. Games between teams of this quality won't be blowouts. They'll be decided by the odd bounce of the puck, an untimely penalty, generally things you can't prepare for well. If you played yesterday's games all over again today, it's just as likely you'd see an entirely different result as a repeat of yesterday.

Schafer and the team have worked hard to elevate their level of play, and they are no flash in the pan. They won't disappear for another 23 years. The future is bright.