Grillo Out at Brown
Posted by Chris '03
Grillo Out at Brown
Posted by: Chris '03 (---.60.172.18.ded.snet.net)
Date: June 01, 2009 12:33PM
Apparently he's taking a job with USA Hockey and not being shown the door after his team literally quit on him this year.
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Re: Grillo Out at Brown
Posted by: djk26 (---.nycmny.fios.verizon.net)
Date: June 01, 2009 01:04PM
Chris, just curious, what do you mean by his team literally quitting on him?
Re: Grillo Out at Brown
Posted by: Chris '03 (---.60.172.18.ded.snet.net)
Date: June 01, 2009 01:17PM
djk26
Chris, just curious, what do you mean by his team literally quitting on him?
A bunch of players, mostly freshmen IIRC, quit the team throughout the year.
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Re: Grillo Out at Brown
Posted by: Trotsky (---.dc.dc.cox.net)
Date: June 01, 2009 04:30PM
Remember when people thought Grillo would be the Next Great Thing?
That's a tough gig.
That's a tough gig.
Re: Grillo Out at Brown
Posted by: Robb (---.gradacc.ox.ac.uk)
Date: June 01, 2009 04:43PM
I definitely remember. He came off the "glory" (if one first-place ECAC finish is glory) of the Perrin/St Louis/Thomas years at UVM with massive expectations at Brown. UVM fans gave Grillo a ton of credit for recruiting/developing the Elves, and many felt they were losing their heir apparent to Gilligan.Trotsky
Remember when people thought Grillo would be the Next Great Thing?
That's a tough gig.
Now Grillo's out and UVM is nationally competitive again... What's that about hindsight?
Re: Grillo Out at Brown
Posted by: Chris '03 (---.60.172.18.ded.snet.net)
Date: June 01, 2009 05:32PM
Robb
Now Grillo's out and UVM is nationally competitive again ... What's that about hindsight?
Not only that, but UVM is competitive again under the direction of a former Union head coach.
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Re: Grillo Out at Brown
Posted by: KeithK (---.external.lmco.com)
Date: June 01, 2009 05:34PM
It almost makes you think that having a school and an administration that cares about athletic success is somehow helpful.Chris '03Robb
Now Grillo's out and UVM is nationally competitive again ... What's that about hindsight?
Not only that, but UVM is competitive again under the direction of a former Union head coach.
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Roger Grillo leaves Brown
Posted by: Josh '99 (---.net)
Date: June 09, 2009 05:04PM
... to take a position with USA Hockey. Are they going to be less thuggish now?
Re: Roger Grillo leaves Brown
Posted by: RichH (---.northropgrumman.com)
Date: June 09, 2009 06:06PM
Isn't that the same question we asked when Bob Gaudet left Brown for Dartmouth?
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Re: Roger Grillo leaves Brown
Posted by: Josh '99 (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: June 10, 2009 10:05AM
Wow, I suck. How did I miss this for eight days?
Re: Roger Grillo leaves Brown
Posted by: ugarte (---.z75-46-65.customer.algx.net)
Date: June 10, 2009 12:45PM
Please, Josh. The rest of us have known that you suck for a lot longer than eight days.Josh '99
Wow, I suck. How did I miss this for eight days?
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Re: Roger Grillo leaves Brown
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.airproducts.com)
Date: June 10, 2009 05:14PM
ugartePlease, Josh. The rest of us have known that you suck for a lot longer than eight days.Josh '99
Wow, I suck. How did I miss this for eight days?
LOL.
Jerk.
Re: Roger Grillo leaves Brown
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: June 10, 2009 10:59PM
Jeff Hopkins '82ugartePlease, Josh. The rest of us have known that you suck for a lot longer than eight days.Josh '99
Wow, I suck. How did I miss this for eight days?
LOL.
Jerk.
Typical.
Re: Grillo Out at Brown
Posted by: ursusminor (---.res.east.verizon.net)
Date: June 12, 2009 08:36PM
USHR is reporting that Digit Murphy, the Brown women's coach and a Cornell grad, has applied.
Re: Grillo Out at Brown
Posted by: ugarte (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: June 13, 2009 07:32AM
ursusminor
USHR is reporting that Digit Murphy, the Brown women's coach and a Cornell grad, has applied.
Among the items in an impressive bio, Murphy has led Brown to five Ivy League titles, six ECAC regular season or tournament titles and four National Championship appearances.
So... hello, lawsuit!
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Re: Grillo Out at Brown
Posted by: Jerseygirl (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: June 13, 2009 03:55PM
While I think it would be awesome to have a major men's sport at a major college coached by a woman, part of me really hopes she doesn't get the job, simply because it would make me incredibly sad and angry to see the inevitable sexism rear its ugly head at my alma mater as people come up with "clever" taunts that revolve around Brown being coached by a woman. I'd like to think we're better than that, but I'm also realistic.
Re: Grillo Out at Brown
Posted by: Kyle Rose (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: June 13, 2009 05:21PM
Women are tougher than you seem to think: don't be such a girl.Jerseygirl
it would make me incredibly sad and angry to see the inevitable sexism rear its ugly head at my alma mater as people come up with "clever" taunts that revolve around Brown being coached by a woman. I'd like to think we're better than that, but I'm also realistic.
On a realistic note, if I were the Brown AD, I'd be at least slightly concerned that a female coach might not truly appreciate the finer points of the men's game where it differs from the women's, notably hitting, and how those differences figure into strategy. As someone who's seen a lot of both, the men's and women's games are very, very different.
Re: Grillo Out at Brown
Posted by: Jerseygirl (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: June 13, 2009 05:40PM
Kyle RoseWomen are tougher than you seem to think: don't be such a girl.Jerseygirl
it would make me incredibly sad and angry to see the inevitable sexism rear its ugly head at my alma mater as people come up with "clever" taunts that revolve around Brown being coached by a woman. I'd like to think we're better than that, but I'm also realistic.
On a realistic note, if I were the Brown AD, I'd be at least slightly concerned that a female coach might not truly appreciate the finer points of the men's game where it differs from the women's, notably hitting, and how those differences figure into strategy. As someone who's seen a lot of both, the men's and women's games are very, very different.
Oh, it's not that I'm concerned her widdle feelings would be hurt, I just don't want my school pride to be replaced by anger at sexist assholes.
I also wonder how having a female coach would impact recruiting. YMMV, but from my experiences hanging out at 109 Catherine, it was not exactly a bastion of liberalism and open-mindedness.
Re: Grillo Out at Brown
Posted by: billhoward (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: June 13, 2009 08:09PM
Recruiting couild be the big issue. Not every 17-year-old hockey player, or his parents, may want to be part of a great experiment.
It might get Howard Stern's mind off Vivian Stringer and Rutgers for a couple of morning shows.
Twenty-five years ago, who'd have thought Brown would have a black woman as president. Or us a black man as President?
It might get Howard Stern's mind off Vivian Stringer and Rutgers for a couple of morning shows.
Twenty-five years ago, who'd have thought Brown would have a black woman as president. Or us a black man as President?
Re: Grillo Out at Brown
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: June 13, 2009 10:24PM
So I guess no man could ever be successful as coach of a women's team.Kyle Rose
On a realistic note, if I were the Brown AD, I'd be at least slightly concerned that a female coach might not truly appreciate the finer points of the men's game where it differs from the women's, notably hitting, and how those differences figure into strategy. As someone who's seen a lot of both, the men's and women's games are very, very different.
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Re: Grillo Out at Brown
Posted by: Kyle Rose (---.nycap.res.rr.com)
Date: June 14, 2009 12:37AM
I think your logic is somewhat flawed in an attempt to score a point against me. Let me spell it out for you: I believe it likely that at some point in the future coaching in women's hockey will be dominated by former women players, at which point men may simply have a hard time competing because they played a different game and don't understand how to coach a finesse game without hitting. (Or, lacking a vagina, understand how to relate to female players and their concerns on a personal level. Take your pick.) *shrug* I'm making no moral judgment about this one way or the other, but simply hypothesizing about what might be necessary prior experience for a good coach.Al DeFlorio
So I guess no man could ever be successful as coach of a women's team.
Re: Grillo Out at Brown
Posted by: RichH (---.hsd1.ct.comcast.net)
Date: June 14, 2009 01:50PM
Al DeFlorioSo I guess no man could ever be successful as coach of a women's team.Kyle Rose
On a realistic note, if I were the Brown AD, I'd be at least slightly concerned that a female coach might not truly appreciate the finer points of the men's game where it differs from the women's, notably hitting, and how those differences figure into strategy. As someone who's seen a lot of both, the men's and women's games are very, very different.
This ties in to a conversation I had with several UConn basketball fans about Geno Auriemma's career. Not only is Geno accepted as a male coach of a female team, but he's widely revered around these parts (There's a sign in a storefront on my ride to work that says "Geno is God". I asked the question if someone with the knowledge and coaching excellence that someone like Pat Summitt possesses would ever get a chance to coach a Men's college team, and the general consensus was "no." I still struggle with trying to figure out why that is today, but unfortunately I think a lot of it comes down to issues that Jerseygirl touched on.
Yeah, it's a different sport, but there are some similar angles to the discussion.
Re: Grillo Out at Brown
Posted by: Lauren '06 (---.122.207.68.cfl.res.rr.com)
Date: June 14, 2009 02:35PM
After the bio ugarte posted, I was going to ask what would prompt her to go from a successful women's program to a famously futile men's program--and what the gender-relational implications of that are--but it looks like the past few seasons haven't been so hot for the women's team either. More of a lateral move than I would have thought.
Re: Grillo Out at Brown
Posted by: ursusminor (---.res.east.verizon.net)
Date: June 14, 2009 05:04PM
For whatever reason, Digit Murphy has not been particularly successful in recent years coaching the Brown women's team. Since the ECAC has become a 12-team league paralleling the men's league and western traditional men's hockey powers have upgraded their women's programs, Brown's women's team has become quite similar to their men's program. Thanks to Union's women trailing the league, Brown has not been at the bottom, but it has been several years since they made the playoffs. How does this warrant what might be considered a promotion?
Re: Grillo Out at Brown
Posted by: Rita (---.hsd1.fl.comcast.net)
Date: June 14, 2009 09:15PM
Also a factor in the downswing of the Brown Women's Ice hockey program is the upswing in the programs out west. In the early to mid 90's if a girl wanted to play ice hockey in college she had to go east. Now with Wisconsin, UMinn-TC and UMinn-Duluth having very competitive programs and an NC$$ tournament (before the Women's Collegiate Hockey championship was sponsored by USA Hockey), girls today have many more options, even at the DIII level.
Re: Grillo Out at Brown
Posted by: Robb (---.gradacc.ox.ac.uk)
Date: June 15, 2009 05:27AM
I was pondering how this could lead to Brown's decline relative to other ECAC teams. I suppose that if the Western teams are siphoning off the cream of the crop, then the Eastern teams should be left in a state of greater parity, as they'd be drawing their players more from the center of the talent bell curve. I suppose in that situation, then very little things would start making the difference between the eastern teams - facilities, location, admissions, etc. I'm not remotely knowledgeable enough to speculate about which of these factors may be affecting Brown, though.Rita
Also a factor in the downswing of the Brown Women's Ice hockey program is the upswing in the programs out west. In the early to mid 90's if a girl wanted to play ice hockey in college she had to go east. Now with Wisconsin, UMinn-TC and UMinn-Duluth having very competitive programs and an NC$$ tournament (before the Women's Collegiate Hockey championship was sponsored by USA Hockey), girls today have many more options, even at the DIII level.
Re: Grillo Out at Brown
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: June 15, 2009 06:51AM
RichHAl DeFlorioSo I guess no man could ever be successful as coach of a women's team.Kyle Rose
On a realistic note, if I were the Brown AD, I'd be at least slightly concerned that a female coach might not truly appreciate the finer points of the men's game where it differs from the women's, notably hitting, and how those differences figure into strategy. As someone who's seen a lot of both, the men's and women's games are very, very different.
This ties in to a conversation I had with several UConn basketball fans about Geno Auriemma's career. Not only is Geno accepted as a male coach of a female team, but he's widely revered around these parts (There's a sign in a storefront on my ride to work that says "Geno is God". I asked the question if someone with the knowledge and coaching excellence that someone like Pat Summitt possesses would ever get a chance to coach a Men's college team, and the general consensus was "no." I still struggle with trying to figure out why that is today, but unfortunately I think a lot of it comes down to issues that Jerseygirl touched on.
Yeah, it's a different sport, but there are some similar angles to the discussion.
Actually, you'd think it would be more likely to happen in basketball than hockey, since women's hoops has been around longer and has a much higher profile than women's hockey.
Re: Grillo Out at Brown
Posted by: nyc94 (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: July 29, 2009 12:38PM
Former Brown defenseman Brendan Whittet will be the new coach at Brown. He has spent the last 11 years as an assistant at Dartmouth.
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Re: Grillo Out at Brown
Posted by: Josh '99 (---.net)
Date: July 29, 2009 04:48PM
So Grillo-Gaudet hacking will continue to be the order of business at Brown? That's a shame.nyc94
Former Brown defenseman Brendan Whittet will be the new coach at Brown. He has spent the last 11 years as an assistant at Dartmouth.
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Re: Grillo Out at Brown
Posted by: billhoward (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: July 30, 2009 09:16PM
>>> [USCHO] In 83 seasons of men’s ice hockey spanning 113 years, Brown has never won an ECAC Hockey regular-season or tournament title, nor a national championship, and hasn’t qualified for the NCAA tournament since Gaudet’s fifth season, 15 years ago.
Not quite like stepping into Joe Paterno's shoes.
But so long as they don't beat us with any regularity, it can only help the Ivies and ECAC if there are no pushovers.
Not quite like stepping into Joe Paterno's shoes.
But so long as they don't beat us with any regularity, it can only help the Ivies and ECAC if there are no pushovers.
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