Colgate's Band

Josh Herman '99 wrote:

B) Playing over it is no less rude.

Actually, playing over it is a lot more rude. RPI's band tried to bring this point home by playing over one of Colgate's songs at the aforementioned 2000 consolation game, and the 'gate band totally missed the point by misinterpreting it as the two bid bands ganging up on the little band rather than as a neutral observer weighing in on the childishness of one of the combatants.

I'm all for banging drums during a game in Europe, where it's part of the protocol. At college games, where all other bands go to great lengths to stop playing when the puck is in motion (witness the a cappella ending Gary Glitter which will eventually be featured on the second pep band CD), it's just annoying. (Clarkson is entitled to special dispensation because they do it as part of an excessively long post-goal ritual, which is an admirable thing (cf BU).)

2) The "parking lot" cheers at Lynah were totally uncool and not at all clever. I think most of us would apologize on behalf of those louts.

3) The brass playing over you from the balcony at Placid was all RPI, with the possible exception of the one Cornell Tuba who was already there.

Clarkson's band has occassionally tried to play over it, but never got so passionate as 'gate's.

[Q]Well DeltaOne81, just wanted to let you know that "wussy band director" you referred to is actually reading all of this[/Q]
Paul,

I want to point out that I said "if some..." I had no idea who you were and am very glad to hear that you're not planning that. I love the pep band didn't mean it to be taken personally, as it was completely theorectical / 'what if' and I never really expected it - just kinda a note to Colgate to not even try.

I'm sorry if you thought I was calling you, personally, a wuss. It was just an off-the-cuff remark and in no way meant for you to take offense to it. I'll certainly leave the job to you cause you always do a great job.

Sorry again,

Fred

Really DeltaOne!
It's much more appropriate to refer to Paul as a crustacean of your choice. Preferably a lobster or crawdad. He gets testy when people forget about his thick exoskeleton and pincers and start waving things near his feelers. Oh, and he screams like a girl when you boil him.

wow was this a long thread. a few things here...
i was at that game in 2000 also. i just want to point out that i think the reason people were hurling personal insults at you was because of the "jump" on the tuba. if i remember correctly around that time someone had actually jumped. that event plus the fact that some cornell students see the whole suicide in the gorges fascination as unsubstantiated as well as a sore spot --> personal insults. i am not saying that hurling personal insults is a good thing at all. i remember that time as being quite crazy and that both crowds were going back and forth saying all sorts of things. there may have been an injury before the personal insult that i think the 'gate crowd did not react appropriately to. but i may be inventing my own memories here. i am glad that things have gotten more civilized since

it is a shame that the 'gate pep band won't be attending the game saturday.

see you all tomorrow. have a good day and stay safe in the snow.

Wow! Go Paul! I know how annoying something like that can be...

And correct me if I'm wrong, but...a Cornell fan just *asked* Colgate to come up with something insulting to yell or play at Cornell? I don't know about anyone else, but that just made my day!

Ana

IT'S REPLY NUMBER 107...AND COLGATE STILL CAN'T SCORE!!!!

Holy crap...this thread is crazy...when/where was this Beirut game played? Sorry...I just couldn't bear to read every frivolous Colgate bandies response to get the full history....

Ana wrote:

...that just made my day!

Doesn't take much, does it?

Ana,

Yup, that's right... we have no problems with people coming up with insults about us or the players - so long as their not obsene or ridiculously rude. Of course, expect us to come back in the same spirit, it's part of the fun. It's what people a college hockey fan is all about. We can give it, and we can take it. Seeing as you said you're a freshman, I'm gonna guess you haven't quite caught on to the spirit of college hockey fandom yet... well, welcome to the club!

Can't wait for tomorrow night...

DeltaOne81 '03 wrote:

Yup, that's right... we have no problems with people coming up with insults about us or the players - so long as their not obsene or ridiculously rude.

Exactly. Did Silversides cut that ugly-ass mullet of his yet?

Marty and I went to the same high school

my condolences marty

The Beirut game took place at the grand and glorious meeting of the bands the weekend of RPI/Union, when Colgate and Cornell partied with RPI. Then the next morning our hosts made us pancakes. Hell yeah.

There are a few really good things about the current Colgate band:

1) They exist. Back in my day, they didn't, or at least I don't remember them existing. Now that I think of it, there was a pathetic little band one time when we went to Hamilton. In any case, going to Hamilton was like playing in an almost empty refrigerator that hadn't been opened in six months; it was very cold and there were lots of rotten apples--whiny, tennis-ball-throwing kids, drunken frat boys screaming "Play taps, Cornell, play taps!" and other general malcontents. Games at Colgate *have* to be much more entertaining now.

2) They actually partied with the current Cornell band. Now, if the current screaming freshman hotheads can chill and learn from their elders, everyone may realize just how precious this is. I think I went to two parties with other bands during my time at Cornell: at Clarkson a couple of us had a great time, maybe twice--in fact, one of those parties may have been one of the best college parties I've ever attended; at Dartmouth we drank up a storm in one of their frats, were introduced to "Conno," and immediately drank said introducers under the table. (A very familiar sound to that story...) The only other place we stayed was RPI, once, and it ended up with a bunch of us sitting in a dorm room watching porn without the soundtrack (it was garbled by scrambling) and adding our own dialogue. Clarkson, despite overtures from our band the next couple of years, decided it was all-important to stay at the Wonderland--why?--in Ithaca and party by themselves--I guess their current leadership had their heads up their asses--and Dartmouth never materialized again.

3) They aren't Harvard. Can anyone even imagine hanging out with the Harvard band? I thought so. Now, Brown might be interesting--pot, anyone?

Here's my advice to the current membership of both bands: party as much as possible with each other, because, when you're around other pep bandies, no matter what "flavor" they may be, you're amongst people that might actually understand you. Enjoy what you have, build more bridges, and drink some beer together. Spread the love.

Rico wrote:

[Q] First of all, I chose a section at random to call sketchy.. I would've picked bones, but I know there are only a handful of you. So I thought something like percussion would be a little more humorous. Our percussionists are sketchy. [/Q]
Hey now...in defense of my section, I would like to point out that perhaps Rico is just jealous that the drummers here at Cornell tend to be among the most talented, hardest working, and of course, most attractive members of the band.

Brian

Brian's Right. I am hot, not not. Where's da beer?

is this the longest thread...ever?

Damn straight, Scersk. I still contend that a rivalry on the ice (or field, or court) is healthy, and should be pursued. But, as I've said before, I'd be happy to sit down and have a beer with any of you bandies (except one guy, but that has nothing to do with his school, he was just a d*ck). I hope we get the opportunity again, and soon.

But for the moment, the whole campus here is getting pumped for a great game tomorrow, regardless of the actual outcome. It's gonna be a loud one, folks.

Brian Deerr '04 wrote:

... and of course, most attractive members of the band.

I guess you're basing that on the 12-year-olds that were hitting on you in Worcester? )

"8-year-olds Dude. . .8-year-olds."

It could be, I guess. Last February's "Everything But Anchovies" (the longest I found before I got bored of clicking "Older Messages" was 120 posts; this is #121.

That is to say, it could be the longest thread ever on THIS board. I post in a thread on BigSoccer.com that's at 19,436 and counting.

Alright, so I gotta ask, what's so bad about the Harvard band? I'm the business manager for Colgate's band, and for the first time in many many years, we are planning on doing the road trip to Harvard and Brown, with plans to stay with the Harvard band. So tell me, what's in store for us?

One thing that I dont understand about Harvard's band though - they're not even playing at the hockey game against us! I was told by their director that it was a busy weekend for them, so they gave them Valentine's Day off. What's up with that?? I think bands should be at ALL home hockey games regardless of whether its a busy schedule or not. And especially if there's a visiting band there!

Jeff, you've answered your own question about the Harvard band.

This isn't about bands, this is about the time that Marty Bair took me to the Silver diner, just after getting over his fear of driving on highways, and let a watress spill water all over me.

Marty's reading but not responding? That's the Marty I know: too scared to say anything, ever, in public, but in person, he's a raging ball of anger.

I hope you remember that you stole intellectual property from ABC news, Marty, because I certainly remember, you thief.


- Gerber Bâby '04

Josh Herman '99 wrote:

[Q] I guess you're basing that on the 12-year-olds that were hitting on you in Worcester? [/Q]
Actually, those youngsters had their eye on Testa, not me. But based on the old pictures from the drumline webpage, we look very similar to one another, so maybe they liked me, too...and the word on the street is that even Godfrey has caught the eye of a younger woman in band...

Brian

Amazing.

126 comments and more to come.

Marty is one of the best people I have ever know. I highly suggest you lay off, and not make things personal.

Clearly the Bâby is good friends with the Marty. If you only had a brain. .see you.. er.. today!

1. This probably is the Longest Thread Ever, and at least it's funny.

2. I used to go up to Hamilton for the games with a Colgate friend, and practically had to defend myself with a baseball bat until the bandies were notified that I was a "good " Cornellian and thus permitted to live. Bandies should stick to yelling at other bandies -- we civilians don't care.

3. The Colgate-Cornell band rivalry got Extremely Stupid at Lake Placid and interfered with everybody else's enjoyment of the game. Nothing like putting yourselves center stage during a *playoff* game, even if it was a meaningless consy. Both sides were equally at fault for delusions of importance. Hopefully nobody thinks that was their Glorious Moment -- more like their alltime low.

4. It's no more an insult to say "Cornell's football team sucks" than "Ithaca's weather sucks." We know, there's nothing we can do about it, and it's not likely to get better.

still waiting for the factual data that watching the consy. game was more fun than playing with the bands.. I don't just mean Greg saying "well, me, and the guy next to me, and.. well EVERYBODY".. nobody was trying to make themselves more important than the game.. nobody cheered "winning band".. I thought you civilians didnt care?

not that you are right or wrong, but i need some more evidence before i actually listen to being "at fault" for an "alltime low"

Check your delusions of importance, greg

Greg wrote:

3. The Colgate-Cornell band rivalry got Extremely Stupid at Lake Placid and interfered with everybody else's enjoyment of the game. Nothing like putting yourselves center stage during a *playoff* game, even if it was a meaningless consy. Both sides were equally at fault for delusions of importance. Hopefully nobody thinks that was their Glorious Moment -- more like their alltime low.

That game was a low point in a lot of respects, not the least of which being that it was Mike Noeth's swan song. An excerpt from an account I wrote at the time:

...Between the foul mood of the regulars, the eagerness of the backups to
hit someone, and Noeth, things got pretty ugly, including three 5x3s
in the first half of the game.

As the game got out of hand, the focus shifted to the stands, and let
me just say the Colgate band really really really really really really
really...

The next word is left as an exercise to the reader.

Although I have to say the biggest disappointment of that game was that Doug Stienstra never got his 100th point, even when Schafer pulled the goalie trailing 4-0 to try and help him get it.

Yeah, consolation games blow, that one in particular, and we (the pepband) isn't one of those things of sucktitude that immediately comes to mind, for me

> still waiting for the factual data that watching the consy. game was more fun than playing with the bands.. I don't just mean Greg saying "well, me, and the guy next to me, and.. well EVERYBODY"..

Factual? Um, gee, I just voiced an opinion. But I guess those are verboten unless they fall under your sheltered idea of how you appear to others.

And I suppose it didn't matter to you that it was the only game I can remember at which members of the Cornell section (NOT including me) were booing their own band and telling them to cool it. or that the alums (admittedly, around me, since they were the ones I could hear) were muttering"what a disgrace" about your performance.

But then again no, no you're right -- the game and the fans don't matter. Just one more sophomoric intra-bandy cheer is why we all made the trip.

You know what the problem is with all this arguing?

WE KNOW CORNELL IS GOING TO HAVE THE LAST LAUGH ANYWAY!!! THEY ARE GOING TO DESTROY US GUYS...LETS FACE THE FACTS! ALL IM HOPING IS THAT THEY INITIATE THE MERCY RULE AFTER CORNELL GOES UP ON US 10-0.

See you at Starr.

whats the point of this arguing? we all know that cornell is going to have the last laugh anyway...because they are going to destroy colgate on the ice.

So are you saying we should only come over here and try to hype up the game when we think we are going to win?

yea, i think its a given that we are going to win...we are just pretending like it's gonna be close so there is something to get hyped about.

I sense some Reverse Woofing here, trying to fake out the Hockey Gods.

IIRC, that never works. I just hope we win, and if necessary I'll take 3-2 in overtime if that's what gets it done.

Let's Go Red!

id rather take a 6-0 win, which is what the game is prolly going to end up being.

Colgate (tsh) our Alma Mater (tsh)
Fairest theme of all our lays
Colgate, our Alma Mater
Ever blest they days...

wow good job guys. go post that crap on your own fan forum. OH WAIT....

[www.voy.com]

Your post-game postings give me little hope of this, but this experience should be a lesson about why you should not shoot your mouth off before a game about how certain victory is, lest you look like a complete moron and subject the rest of us to blowback from the grief you brought on yourself from the other team's fans.

Aside from the fact that celebration of any kind on the forum of a vanquished foe is poor form (when I posted to the Clarkson Roundtable to ask why no one was ringing the bell, I made sure to keep my tone polite and cast my reaction to the weekend as appreciation that my team had done well to get four points out of a very tough roadtrip), the posting of an alma mater itself is hardly crapful.

Now you want to talk crap, how about the TV play-by-play announcer cheering and waving a rally towel in the booth? I would be embarrassed if my school were associated with that operation. (As I was embarrassed by the drunken idiot who announced the last Skating Utes game before I took over as Utah PA announcer my last year in Salt Lake.)

look, I've been nothing but reactionary. None of us came over here claiming our team would win. The subject of that only came up the day of the game. A few guys were complaining about the webcast, so I made a joke that they should listen to theirs. He responded by posting our record. I commented that it was still a 1-1 game, which was all that mattered. He said we'll see about that. And he asked me how id feel after the game, and to keep dreaming. So I will take a small amount of payback I was goaded into. Especially after what I admit to be a shock upset. I posted that last link, because I believe the post above it was implying that Colgate did not have a message board. So I posted the adress of mine. There was also a Cornell poster who irritated me on my site for about 2 years, just doing something like posting those little smileys after a loss. So I did take a little payback for that too. I am better now!

About the announcer, there's nothing to argue with there. You saw it, I saw it. You either like it or you don't. I will say the CUTC audience was exclusively CUTV students up until that broadcast, and his actions were based on that.

You're a COLGATE fan?

Were you at the game tonight?

I hope so.

Heh heh heh.

Don't try to be a prophet...never works.

Ana

Hi again, Cornell!

This will, in all probability, be my last post until next year...

First of all, let me say that I am not gloating. Okay, well, I'm really happy and screamed my head off, but I'm still realistic. The Cornell hockey team is absolutely amazing. You deserve to be very proud. If I was a Cornell student, I'd certainly be proud of them, and I probably would have been just as certain of victory beforehand.

Things got kind of...messy...third period. I admit I found it a bit ironic when the same people who posted and posted about how terribly rude it was to play over Swanee, played over us, the sound guy, etc. multiple times. I'll be nice and chalk it up to end-of-the-game-and-still-tied nerves.

Your fans are really quite scary. Then again, so are ours.

Avash, that was seriously rude. I freely admit that posting the alma mater was a bit, well, rude, but calling it 'that crap' is extremely insulting. I can deal with a lot of insults, but insulting our alma mater is going too far. Especially on top of your pep band not respecting our alma mater enough to wait while we played it--after WE had stood up, removed our hats, and remained silent for the playing of Cornell's alma mater. Grr.

Oh, how I wish we could go to Lynah. Even though the fans would frighten me, it would be so much fun...

Okay, I'm really tired, and I can't talk, and I have a Chinese quiz tomorrow, and I have to wash my face four times to get the face paint off...so I'll stop.

Till next year then, oh ye Cornell Pep Band (except for lacrosse...and possibly basketball...but we'll pretend, for the sake of my dramatic exit).

Love and Kisses,

Ana

By the way - did the band play Swanee at Starr?

Twice .

While being played over... although maybe it wouldn't be called 'playing', but drums were being banged... Colgate, the first step towards a rivalry is respect, and you've really gotta add a little more class, IMHO. The sheep, the playing over swanee... come up with more clever things and less blatantly offensive, please, I'm begging you.

For some reason, our discussion of the "atmosphere" at Starr put me in mind of this epic thread and the jilted Colgate bandie quoted below:

[Q]12:39 am, Monday, January 27, 2003:
Yah wtf. Theyre funny to be around, in that �its really funny to hang out with Ithaca trash� sort of way. Stupid, lying, not-enough-decency-to-email-you-back-after-telling-you-youre-cute, trash. I see the light. hahaha[/q]

you've gotta love the 2 year old thread

Hmmm. What fraction of Colgate band matriculants applied to two schools in upstate New York that start with C-O ... and only got into one?

[Q]Jill Wrote:
Ok, I am now calm enough to write about this. The thing about Swanee is. . . dudes, don't play it in our rink. If you want to do it, fine, tradition or whatever is fine. But it is rude when we (or say, the drum major at the time, ahem) asks you not to play it in our rink after said drum major complied with the wishes of Cornell to leave it alone while in Ithica. . . and then YOU DO IT ANYWAY. That's the beef. We are just as rude as the next fans in our rink, could we call ourselves hockey fans if we weren't? Alright that's all. [/q]

to the bandies: could y'all make sure you play Swanee at Starr on friday night. thanks

Dear God, this thread is still hanging around??

I remember the night this thread went crazy. Glad I didn't get too involved in posting on it though because IIRC people said some pretty harsh things here (and I'm not going back through this whole thing!).

[Q]ben03 Wrote:

Jill Wrote:
Ok, I am now calm enough to write about this. The thing about Swanee is. . . dudes, don't play it in our rink. If you want to do it, fine, tradition or whatever is fine. But it is rude when we (or say, the drum major at the time, ahem) asks you not to play it in our rink after said drum major complied with the wishes of Cornell to leave it alone while in Ithica. . . and then YOU DO IT ANYWAY. That's the beef. We are just as rude as the next fans in our rink, could we call ourselves hockey fans if we weren't? Alright that's all. [/Q]
to the bandies: could y'all make sure you play Swanee at Starr on friday night. thanks[/q]

I'd imagine (or at least certainly hope) that this isn't even an issue under consideration.