Colgate's Band

I love the Colgate's band so much. They're just so hard to take seriously. We don't hate them... really! But they make it so easy if we wanted to.

And yes, this was sent to our manager, who passed it along to the rest of us.

And it came to him from colgate_pepband_is_better@yahoo.com

Names deleted to protect the quasi-innocent (don't wanna be cruel here).

I have no real reason to post this. Maybe the Sun could have some entertainment with it or something. :-p

And all this 'sparked' by us saying we beat them at Beer Pong once, on a page that lists our manager as a pimp, and has Elvis on the roster.

--snip--

11:21 pm, Sunday, January 26, 2003:
Dear band,

Recent developments have come up in our rivalry with Cornell, and I wanted to make sure everyone was aware. The basic story is that at the party at RPI, Jesse, Marty, Jill, and Nate played a game of beer pong against four Cornell opponents. No incidents occurred at the time, however our players unfortunately lost by two cups.

Now the real kicker: Go here: [www.rso.cornell.edu] and click on "Points" (on the left hand side). Then scroll all the way down. Apparently, there has been a recent addition to Cornell's site.

In XXXXX's words....I haaaate Cornell.



11:35 pm, Sunday, January 26, 2003:
That's IT. They're going DOWN Thursday!!!!! Who's with me!!?!??! And PS- is it my imagination, or... did we have to explain the rules to them!?!? Have a good Monday everyone!!!


12:04 am, Monday, January 27, 2003:
In addition to which, unless I’m mistaken, it wasn’t beer pong that was played . .it was Beirut. They need to learn the subtleties of drinking games. Freakin’ ^#$#^$#. And for any of those who were wondering, my finger is not broken, and I will have a lead blocker for the Cornell game. A 300 Ib lead blocker. Just try to get in my way, cornell!

12:39 am, Monday, January 27, 2003:
Yah wtf. Theyre funny to be around, in that “its really funny to hang out with Ithaca trash” sort of way. Stupid, lying, not-enough-decency-to-email-you-back-after-telling-you-youre-cute, trash. I see the light. hahaha

12:45 am, Monday, January 27, 2003:
Yeah, one of those Cornell bandies at RPI tried to lead me to believe that there is no hate. What a liar! I have no mercy for them now! LET'S ROUGH 'EM UP!

9:04 pm, Monday, January 27, 2003:
Hi. I just wanted to send you all an IM conversation with that guy from Cornell, you know the hobo. Actually, it was a one sided conversation on his part in reaction to my away message. (I am refusing to speak to him.)

: oh, no you didnt
Auto response from XXXXX: Hey Cornell. I talked to your mom last night. You know what she said? She has your sheep waiting.
: as a frat boy, i would like to point out we use strictly goats

And so the truth comes out.


9:27 pm, Monday, January 27, 2003:
I’m torn, truly. . .do I defend the fraternity system, or allow cornell to be insulted? Watch me come up with something witty tomorrow, but for now, my hatred for cornell runs deeper than anything. Ivy league bastards is goin down

10:18 pm, Monday, January 27, 2003:
Just another quick excerpt from Cornell’s webpage:
The Pep Band is often noted as the best Pep Band in the ECAC. We've always gotten along pretty well with the RPI Pep Band. Everyone else is either really bad or thinks that they are better than they actually are (Clarkson). And the Colgate Band really hates us.
Notice the second (and third while you’re at it) sentence—if you feel the need for more motivation to hate them anyway….

10:23 pm, Monday, January 27, 2003:
Hey, at least they're recognizing our existence at this point ... that's an improvement over a year ago ...

10:53 pm, Monday, January 27, 2003:
There are a few things that I would like to say about Cornell. However, most of my sentiments are so profound and disgusting that decorum prohibits listing them here. Let's just say I'm doing a little... "research" for the game...

11:08 pm, Monday, January 27, 2003:
Or how about the first sentence, even? Last I checked, the only ones who “often noted” them as the best pep band in the ecac were themselves and the people they paid off. . .

11:29 pm, Monday, January 27, 2003:
XXX...that research term worries me...very very much

I have been to enough Cornell hockey games in my time at Colgate (frankly once was enough) to "note" that they are probably not the best pep band in the ECAC
or the second...
or the third...
or the fourth...
or the fifth...
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or the twelvth (our sound guy is better than the Cornell pep band, making him number 12)
hey, they have a lucky 13 too


12:25 am, Tuesday, January 28, 2003:
If anyone has the stomach to go to the Cornell pep band site (I was there, poking around--for a laugh, check out their 'press history'), you can note that at the scrolling message at the bottom of the screen, Cornell is now not only the 'best pep band in the ECAC', they are...the only real pep band in the ECAC!

Sure, Cornell. Keep telling yourself that.

I think somebody has issues.

Now that's funny! I know the leaders of the Colgate band, so can safely say they had nothing to do with this. I do know a few of them would like to bring back some of the rivalry though, but still in a friendly way. Unfortunatly, due to a ticket office SNAFU, the Colgate band cannot go to Lynah this year. Either way, my advice would be to just have fun with it. None of the current band members harbor any real ill-will to Cornell anymore.

Someone has a major complex

Hmmmm, there be traitor! I'm starting to get to the bottom of this. The Colgate band has been e-mailing themselves back and forth all week, killing time, and talking hype for this weekends game. That's what you are seeing here. I'm not sure how it got into your hands though. I'm sure you could have fun with it this thursday, and I would too.

The posting at 12:39 am, Monday, January 27, 2003 is one of the saddest/funniest things I have read in a long time. A real walk-of-shame feel to it.

You should have called her, Lowell.

I don't know what the hell you bandies did to these poor folks. . . but it's working, keep up the good work!!!

Hi all,

I am the current Director of the Colgate University Raider Pep Band. I just want to say that a little rivalry is good for all of us. If our "ill will" was reciprocated, it would be even more fun. Colgate and Cornell used to be great rivals, from the 1920's until the 1980's or so. We should bring this back.

In other words, Cornell, you need to stop hating Harvahd. They couldn't care less about you or your rivalry. Wouldn't it be more fun to hate your travelling partner, Colgate? Cornell is the school that Colgate loves to hate, and it works quite well for us.

If you joined in in the fun, it could become an interesting situation, sort of like Yale/Princeton. We could have yearly beirut games, and keep a running total.

I guess this is basically an open invitation to war. Let me know what you think. We're up for it if you are. Hate's no fun if it's one-sided.

And on another note, Cornell really WAS my "safety school". Maybe that'll get some flames going.

Nothing says "rivalry" like "Can we please have a rivalry?"

Nothing like admitting you tried to incite someone, and then trying to incite them with a different approach (Cornell WAS my safety school). Must be that excellent Colgate education that I have heard so much about

We have a travel partner???

I'm not asking their permission. I'm inviting them to join in on a rivalry they dropped out of 20 years ago, to pursue "bigger fish". Hasn't gotten them very far.

We can hate you for one week a year just like the others in the ECAC but THAT'S IT! Stop begging for more you sorry bunch of drunks!

NO means NO!

*sigh*
We aren't the Red Raiders. We're the Raiders. And at least we don't defame the national anthem by screaming out our team's color in the middle of it. Honestly.

[q]We aren't the Red Raiders. We're the Raiders. And at least we don't defame the national anthem by screaming out our team's color in the middle of it. Honestly.[/q]

I keep checking the lyrics. They still don't say "maroon" anywhere...

The reason for changing from the "Red Raiders" to the "Raiders" was not an epiphany that indeed their color was Maroon, but a concern over the un-PC term "Red."

[Q]I'm inviting them to join in on a rivalry they dropped out of 20 years ago, to pursue "bigger fish". Hasn't gotten them very far.[/Q]
Yep. I love when Al, Jim, and the other guys from the '60s and '70s talk about that age old rivalry with Colgate. That was a rivalry to end all rivalries. Those historic games at the Garden when Cornell locked horns with Colgate, just about a yearly battle was much anticipated with Colgat.....oh wait, no. I'm thinking of BU, Clarkson, and (yes) Harvard. Colgate and Cornell have only met in the playoffs 3 times: 1981, 1991, and 1996. Not exactly big-rivalry frequency.

Frankly in spite of that, I put Colgate as #3 on my ECAC rivalry list, after Harvard/Clarkson. RPI is right up there also. The mid-'90s saw some very memorable Colgate-Cornell battles, and the turnout from Hamilton filled Section O with some very roudy fans. Not counting the bad apples that hocked loogies at fans walking by the Colgate fan-bus, and the laser-pointer incident at Starr, it was always good fan-interaction at Lynah from the Colgate side...2nd only to Clarkson. I don't think Colgate brought a band very often, and it's too bad that there was a mix-up for this year.

I was told that Athletics didn't want to have to clean up all the Jack Daniels and Jim Beam bottles. Mix-up. . .there ain't no stinking mix-up.

Actually, this reads a lot like a Cornell football fan's pleas to Penn to forget about Princeton and hate us again. But he does get extra points for using "couldn't care less" correctly.

Alright folks. First of all, being wusses when it comes to alcohol consumption is nothing to be ashamed of, so stop calling us names and chill. Second, I think you are all confused about the point of the 'Red' conversation. Third, man are you SO COOL to get into our e-mail conversations and post them on your website. Honestly, do you have anyone else to annoy? Fourth, I know you are just making fun of the invitation to rival because you are scared to rematch in the future. See you Thursday!!! )

Here's an idea. . .when you get a team that can win some games other than Princeton, Holy Cross and RPI. . .we'll think about a rivalry.

Me? I likey the other bands. I hate various teams (Harvard, and Dartmouth since I've been here have personally been the big two), but come one, the bands are pretty low in the pecking order. I mean, hell, small children throw condiments on us and rarely does a roadtrip go by without someone standing behind a conductor and swinging their arms in mockery. I remember last year, someone from Clarkson tried to propose an "All ECAC Band Olympics" that was just too surreal for words. I just found the fact that someone sent our manager a ton of the e-mails quite funny. I have every intent in yelling my brains out at the team, but the band...? Eh. Bands get enough shit without them picking on each other.

Of course, there is that Weder thing, lest anyone forget.
-smirk-

How about defaming the game by playing your stupid drums over it? (I think the high point for reciprocating your hatred for us came in the 2000 ECAC consolation game; Rich, who was en route back from Cali at the time, can fill you in on my colorful description of events.)

[Q]Eh. Bands get enough shit without them picking on each other.[/Q]Hear, hear. This is probably the wisest thing said on this thread.

My interaction with other bands when I was a bandie convinced me of one thing...there's a certain type of person that's drawn to the pep band. We're all cut from different colors of the same cloth, and generally have a good time together when we temporarily put aside our school loyalties. Inter-band parties certainly show that.

Yes, that's very "Can't we all just get along?" of me, but so be it.

Hey Cornell!

I'm a Colgate bandie, and with all due respect,

a) It's not just Colgate that hates you. (By the way, it's not just the band; the entire school is less than enthusiastic about Cornell). EVERYONE hates you. Read your own press history! Your nickname is 'hooligans with horns'! Does anyone think that a band with a title like that commands affection and/or respect? I've heard people from so many different schools comment about how much they dislike you. Colgate just has more fun with it than most.

b) Why, exactly, is the Cornell pep band claiming on its web page to be the only 'real' pep band in the ECAC? (I was the one who emailed everyone about that, and I'm not afraid to say so, so the whole deleting names thing was kinda pointless). Can anyone explain the justification for that particular statement?

c) Okay, honestly (WARNING! ALMOST SELF-CRITICISM AHEAD!), it would be a bit pathetic for Colgate to get all worked up about this rivalry (ALMOST SELF-CRITICISM ENDS) IF we were actually taking it extremely seriously. We're getting excited for the hockey game! We're having fun! Or do you poor, always-on-the-edge-of-mental-breakdown Cornell xuesheng not understand the meaning of the word?

d) If the beer pong score is so unimportant, why did someone from Cornell write in our website guestbook about how it was so awsome that you beat us? Just wondering...

e) Yes, we are your travel partner, somewhat. Check out your schedule...our next away trip is to Brown and Harvard on Feb. 14/15. Sound familiar?

f) Harvard does not care about you at all. Neither does Clarkson. Get over it.

g) Hey Ben! When did the pep bands become the actual hockey teams?

h) Cornell was my safety school, too. Sorry, that was a low blow but I couldn't resist.

See you on Thusday!

Ana Kaufmann

Hey Ben, ever been to a football game? Oh wait, your pep band only plays for hockey and such. You have a more capable band for football. Damn good thing, too.

If you'd been to a football game in the last, oh, 6 years, you'd find that Cornell hasn't beaten Colgate once.

Right, right, this is hockey. However, a certain amount of school pride has also come into the discussion. Hence, football.

I'd also like to point out your (really embarassing) loss to UNH in basketball. Last I checked, they were a horrible team. Good thing for Cornell athletics the hockey team is decent.

Ah. . .been to a lacrosse game in the past 15 years. . .yeah your team still SUCKS!

If we ever stay with the Cornell band again, I'd love to hang out. There were some good kids there, especially that kid who wore the goggles ... tall kid, aggie major. Anyway, this is about hockey, and sports in general - and it can get heated. That's all the rivalry will ever be. Off the ice, everything's cool as far as I'm concerned

If you could spell lacrosse correctly, I might take that seriously.

My poor spelling aside, your L-A-C-R-O-S-S-E team is still one of the worst teams on our schedule.

Err... quick note before I go back to my real work.
The only REAL Marching Band in the ECAC stems from the Cornell Marching Band, which -IS- the Only Real Marching Band in the Ivy League because the rest are scatterbands, and the rest are all also about half our size. It's a point of pride for us to actually march as opposed to run around, but we still kick back and drink with them (especially Yale and Princeton the last few years)
The Pepband used to be a subset of the Marching Band (hence, the carry over of the title... Only Real, blah blah blah), but has now been formally separated. Nonetheless, almost everyone in the pepband is in the marching band, and no matter how the football team does, the band always wins.

Err... that's the origin of "The Only REAL Pepband in the ECAC."

And now I've got some proofs calling my name.

[q]I remember last year, someone from Clarkson tried to propose an "All ECAC Band Olympics" that was just too surreal for words.[/q]

well this type of olympics would see yet another figure skating controversy - we all know that the brown pep band would have all of the skating events in their pockets due to their immense amount of practice

i always cheer for colgate except when they play cornell. but i have to admit i cannot stand the drunk @$$e$ who are annoying as hell when i am in hamilton - of course there are cornell goons i am sure. anyway, see u all thursday. dont forget your newspaper and beware of crowd-seeking pucks during warmups!!

Hey Jill!

Clarification:

"The only REAL pep band in the ECAC" slogan that runs across the bottom of the web page is a variation on the marching band's motto, "The only REAL marching band in the Ivy League." The latter makes a lot of sense given the nature of the other Ivy bands. There are other section and/or occassion-specific variations, but that's it. Just that.

There. I actually managed to say something on a band post without adding fuel to the fire.

Before I hit "post," I'd like to remind the Colgate pep band that they can give donations to the Cornell pep band. Just send a check to..... oh wait, never mind. Wrong thread.

OK IVE HAD IT. AND EVERYONE KNOWS WHO THIS IS, AT LEAST YOU BETTER. WHAT THE HELL IS ALL THIS CRAP ABOUT WHOS TEAMS BETTER. WHO THE HELL CARES. YOU THINK OUR SPORTS TEAMS CARE? C'MON, DONT KID YOURSELF. ITS CALLED REALITY, CORNELL. YOU'RE A
B A N D !!!!!!!!!!!!
WHO IN GODS NAME CARES WHOS TEAMS BETTER? OUR BAND COULD, HAS, DOES AND WILL RUN CIRCLES AROUND YOUR BAND ANY GIVEN DAY. I DONT CARE IF U BEAT US 30000-0. OK? ITS CALLED MUSIC, MY FRIENDS. COLGATE HAS IT, CORNELL DOES NOT. NOW GO BACK TO BRAGGING ABOUT YOUR SPORTS TEAMS, BIG RED. JUST REMEMBER WHO YOU REALLY ARE, AND WHO YOU SUCK COMPARED TO. AND FOR GODS SAKE RECOGNIZE

Chips '03 wrote:

12:45 am, Monday, January 27, 2003:
Yeah, one of those Cornell bandies at RPI tried to lead me to believe that there is no hate. What a liar! I have no mercy for them now! LET'S ROUGH 'EM UP!

Who would've thought that out of everything offensive I've ever said (or screamed at the top of my lungs at a hockey game) about Colgate, "We don't hate you" would turn out to be the most offensive?

Silly lightweight freshman.

To respond to APK's post point-by-point:

a) While I was in band, we had many folks from visiting rinks come up and tell us how much they enjoyed our performance. I can't speak for current bandies how often that happens, but the band was signing autographs for RPI fans after the game at Houston Fieldhouse 2 weeks ago. Generally, the "everyone hates you" thing is probably more related to the fact that everyone hates Cornell fans in general. We're almost always a loud and vocal presence at opposing arenas...and because the band is an identifiable entity, that gets transferred to the band. "Hooligans with horns" was the quote from an unusually bitter Catamount fan in a letter to the editor of a Burlington paper after their team fell flat on their faces at Lake Placid in the mid-90s. It was funny.

b) "Only REAL band" is borrowed from the Big Red Marching Band. All the other Ivy bands are known as "scatter bands" and Cornell is the only one that attempts to look like a traditional marching band. Thus the phrase "The Only REAL Marching Band in the Ivy League." The pep band was spun off from the BRMB in the '80s, and a good number of people are members of both organizations. And the language translates, but they changed some words. (EDIT: But then again 3 people beat me to this point, so you already know this)

c) Can't fault you for having fun! Did it occur to you that we are too??

d) Don't know. But you *know* had you won that game, there would've been much taunting. All in all, I'd say the sportsmanship over the Beirut game was pretty good. Again, someone was just having fun!

e) Sure does! Hope you beat 'em both!

f) Harvard doesn't care about anyone. Harvard doesn't have fans TO care. Clarkson does, but when you compare the magnitude of the SLU and RPI rivalries, I think we all can see why we aren't AS important in their eyes. Still, the physical intensities of those games are mighty impressive.

g) I'll leave that to Ben.

h) I'm an engineer, so I didn't even consider Colgate.

RECAP:

COLGATE: GOOD PEP BAND
CORNELL: I COULD TRAIN MONKEYS TO PLAY BETTER

Hi again.

Um, I'm not stupid, you know. I really did get the whole 'only real marching band' root without three people pointing it out to me. My point was that, while the marching band claim has some validity (Colgate despises scatter/scramble bands just as much as you guys do, trust me), the pep band claim does not and is therefore ridiculous and worthy of the utmost contempt.

Oh, and Adam? I'm struck dumb by your maturity, insight, and articulate comment. Really.

Ana Kaufmann

Oh, you do NOT do that to my girl Jill! Kick his ass, dude*!



*dude=Jill. don't ask.

JNB wrote:

Kick his ass, dude*!

She'd do it, too. And do you know why? Because she's CRAZY.

John, good points, but save the anger for Thursday

Rick!

Yay for sense and intelligence. Kudos for a really, really cool post. You might almost make me like Cornell after all! (Okay, not until after I graduate, which will be a while. But still...)

One final note on a), however...I wasn't kidding. When I visited Colgate for the first time, I had people who I know for a fact have never been to a single Colgate sporting event how much they disliked Cornell. I won't say what they said, b/c then everyone would get really, really mad at me and find me on Thursday and....sorry, my imagination got the better of me for a second.

Ana Kaufmann

You know what? I went to Cornell summer school in an engineering program. I still want to be an engineer, but I chose Colgate OVER Cornell because I thought that Cornell would be a sucky place to spend four years. And, I do believe that I was right.

Because you're all a pack of disillusioned p***ies.

RAAH!

GO COLGATE!

[Q]Harvard does not care about you at all. Neither does Clarkson. Get over it.[/Q]

We, the Clarkson Pep Band, care about Cornell, that's why we go there every year. The only reason to go to Colgate is to watch Clarkson get out the frustrations of the previous night in Ithaca. Also why would we make such cool shirts?

Ana, it seems to me the quote is for Cornell's own amusement, and they don't even think about whether other people see it or not because it's an inside reference (if not quite a joke). So you ARE dumb.*

*This sentence = sarcasm. Don't ask.

Mannnn, you have NO idea.

Well, I suppose for someone who has such illusions of a rivalry, we WOULD appear "disillusioned", wouldn't we?

Brett wrote:

We, the Clarkson Pep Band, care about Cornell, that's why we go there every year. The only reason to go to Colgate is to watch Clarkson get out the frustrations of the previous night in Ithaca. Also why would we make such cool shirts?

Awww, that's so sweet! You had us at hello!

By the way, I love Mike Walsh. He's fun to yell at. I just thought I'd share.

You know, things are getting a little heated in here, so I thought it would be nice to read some pleasant song lyrics:

"Way down upon the Swanee River,
Far, far away.
That's where my heart is turning ever.
That's where the old folks stay.
All up and down the whole creation,
Sadly I roam,
Still longing for the old plantation,
And for the old folks at home.

All the world is sad and dreary,
Everywhere I roam,
Oh! Lordy, how my heart grows weary,
Far from the old folks at home.

All 'round the little farm I wandered
When I was young,
Then many happy days I squandered,
Many a song I sung.
When I was playing with my brother
Happy was I.
Oh! take me to my kind old mother,
There let me live and die.

All the world is sad and dreary,
Everywhere I roam,
Oh! Lordy, how my heart grows weary,
Far from the old folks at home.

One little hut among the bushes,
One that I love,
Still sadly to my mem'ry rushes,
No matter where I rove.
When will I see the bees a-humming'
All around the comb?
When will I hear the banjo strummin'
Down in my good old home?

All the world is sad and dreary,
Everywhere I roam,
Oh, Lordy, how my heart grows weary,
Far from the old folks at home."

-Stephen M. Foster

I hope this settles some people down...

OK ONE MORE THING....U GODDAMNED HACKERS!!!!! DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW LAME IT IS TO HACK IN AND STEAL EMAILS FROM A PEP BAND? JESUS THE GIRLS MUST LOVE YOU........YOU GO, BILL GATES

That post was noticeably lacking in denial.

OK ONE MORE THING....U GODDAMNED HACKERS!!!!! DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW LAME IT IS TO HACK IN AND STEAL EMAILS FROM A PEP BAND? JESUS THE GIRLS MUST LOVE YOU........YOU GO, BILL GATES.

Ohhhhhh I LOVE this subject of discussion. All I have to say is:

Fight, fight, fight for dear old Colgate!
With Heart and hand now we'll win for thee!
Oh, we will fight, fight, fight for Alma Mater,
On to victory we're marching!
Foes shall bend their knee before us,
And pay their homage to pow'r so great,
So let us send out a cheer, and DRINK ALL THE BEER,
While we are fighting hard for old Colgate. FIGHT!

Don't worry, I'm playing over it in my head ...

Grant,

I'm not sure if you are trying to be v. sarcastic, or if you honestly are that clueless (sorry, but really...)

The whole low-brass-Swanee-River thing....yeah, we don't like that. It's very rude. Plus, you guys keep promising not to play it, then playing it anyway.

So, as a calming technique, you could do better. At least for Colgate. Perhaps the Cornell people find it soothing...I don't know about them.

Ana Kaufmann

I prefer this one, it sounds a hell of a lot better!

Fight, fight, fight for dear old Colgate!
With heart and hand now we'll win for thee!
Oh, we will fight, fight, fight for Alma Mater,
On to victory we're marching!
Foes shall bend their knee before us,
And pay their homage to pow'r so great,
So let us send out a cheer and banish all fear,
While we are fighting hard for old Colgate.

Your objection to Swanee is because it's RUDE? That's it?

A) For cryin' out loud, it's a college hockey game, not a New York Symphony concert. Being rude is part of the atmosphere. If you want polite, you should either listen to Tom Lehrer's "Fight Fiercely, Harvard", or go to a game at Princeton or something.

B) Playing over it is no less rude.

Alright,

I was part of the grand Beirut team, and I have to say that we were pretty good sports about it, what with that freaky freshman of yours going all "OOOOOOH SHIZZIT! HERE COMES COLGATE!!! FUCK YOU CORNELLL!!!!" then "sssh.. hey calm it down.. its colgates turn to throw." That was pretty funny. What wasnt funny was when that other guy whipped out his testicle.

Not as funny as when Jill spilled/poured a beer on the crotch of our conductor. That was great on many levels. Our guys are really hurting for fresh meat, so naturally they jumped on the coldest fish they could find

Marty, Kurt says he is dis-owning you. I bought beer with you, man.

Hacked? Please.. you have a traitor amongst you. I think it was that sketchy percussionist..

Jill you beat me to it, posting the fight song, oh well I put it up anyway in case any of those future waiters and hotel workers of America need to see it twice. And by the way, I’ve hated Cornell since I can remember. It wasn’t my safety school; I never thought it worthy of my consideration. Three words to Cornell, KISS MY BRASS!

Josh,

The problem with Swanee River, as I see it, is not so much the song itself but the things that the rest of the band yells during it (even for sporting events, it goes a bit far) plus the whole agreeing to not play it, then playing it anyway thing.

As to your second point, did anyone suggest Colgate's fight song as 'calming'? Hmm? Yeah.

When will you people learn that you cannot refute me or the rest of the band just by calling us stupid? Don't try to argue against us until you have an actual point, please.

Sorry, I'm getting more hostile b/c I'm more tired.

Ana

Rico, dude, you were one of the cool Cornell bandies. I'll drink with you anytime, man. You beat us fair and square in Beirut, but next time, we'll be ready for you

Marty's going to post in a minute. He's my roommate, and he says he doesn't want to miss out on this

Rico,

Sketchy percussionist? As in, John? As in, the person you're replying to?

Just wanted to make sure.

Ana

I find it amusing that the "sketchy percussionist" you mention is the same person that was convinced you hacked into our system.

(Sorry John!)

Since when is John sketchy? I thought only Kevin and I were sketchy?

Why are there more Colgate bandies on this site than Cornell bandies? Don't you guys have a T3?

Jesse,

I didn't say it! Rico said it! I was quoting! Who is Rico, anyway?

Umm...we're here b/c we actually have enthusiasm? Who can fathom the actions of Cornell bandies?

Ana

I'm sorry, please, tell me where I called you stupid. I'm merely pointing out that your objection to Swanee (and the things that the band and crowd yell) on the grounds that they're rude, given the situation in which they're played/yelled, doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It's not like we're doing it in your library. It's not like we literally want you to die. I'm sorry if it offends you, but... well, no, actually, I'm not. It's not that offensive, or shouldn't be at any rate, and it's not inappropriate for a hockey game. I know I've heard Colgate students use far worse language than that at Starr.

ok ok i dropped the ball on the hacking thing. i didnt care enough to read the first post i guess. ok....
seriously who the hell do u think u are calling me sketchy? You goddamned geek, you wouldnt know the first thing about 'sketchy'. heres sketchy: a guy with no life who has the balls to pick on some one he not only doesnt know, but someone who could outdo him in any area or anything (of course who couldnt do better?). except for being a geeky piece of ithaca trash. now theres something youd win in. so you enjoy being a geek, and me and the rest of my colgate friends will suffer the pressures of being normal and having normal love lives. that is all

a.) dude, don't refer to me as meat. This is the 21st century.
b.) My bad about the beer on the crotch. Some of our girls tell me sheep are more Cornell's style
c.) you are mistaking my cold fishiness with my general dislike of Cornell, don't confuse the two.

Rico wrote:

Not as funny as when Jill spilled/poured a beer on the crotch of our conductor. That was great on many levels. Our guys are really hurting for fresh meat, so naturally they jumped on the coldest fish they could find

Josh Herman '99 wrote:

I know I've heard Colgate students use far worse language than that at Starr.

Damn straight. See you Thursday.

So, does this mean the rivalry is back? Because it seems to me that we're going at it pretty well.

For the record, I think Rico is cool That's not even sarcastic, I swear.

JNB wrote:

So, does this mean the rivalry is back? Because it seems to me that we're going at it pretty well.

Nah, this is pretty much all just arguing ABOUT said "rivalry". We still don't hate you. Sorry, Cyn.

(You ARE making me laugh, though. I suppose you'll be offended by that too. )

Ditto, dude. Rico's the man.

Hey everyone, it's Nate from the beruit game. I know I'm a little late to the discussion, but crusties sometimes take a little longer to hear about these things. If I remember correctly (I was on my 4th game of beruit, so things are a little fuzzy...) Cornell had some help from RPI in the game. Perhaps I could get some confirmation/denial here. Either way thanks for a good game - lets play again soon. Anyone there up for making it a best out of 3? May the better band win...

Haha.. this is great.

First of all, I chose a section at random to call sketchy.. I would've picked bones, but I know there are only a handful of you. So I thought something like percussion would be a little more humorous. Our percussionists are sketchy. I didn't mean to deeply offend you, but I guess it IS funnier that way.

As to the meat comments, well, our men are desperate. I saw they were pulling out bills for you. Whatever that was about.... but my fight is not with you, trombones should transcend all barriers.

You called down the thunder, well now you got it. Thursday is going to be a heck of a time

Ok, I am now calm enough to write about this. Then I am leaving this damn site. The thing about Swanee is. . . dudes, don't play it in our rink. If you want to do it, fine, tradition or whatever is fine. But it is rude when we (or say, the drum major at the time, ahem) asks you not to play it in our rink after said drum major complied with the wishes of Cornell to leave it alone while in Ithica. . . and then YOU DO IT ANYWAY. That's the beef. We are just as rude as the next fans in our rink, could we call ourselves hockey fans if we weren't? Alright that's all. See you all Thursday. Thanks for the entertainment

Hey Nate, sure as hell I don't remember, I'd had quite a bit a tequila at that point. But you had some terrific shots, from across the room. It's entirely possible RPI played half the game. Damned if I know.

I'm gonna take Jill and Jesse's word for this, since I didn't actually meet Rico...but now I'm looking forward to possibly meeting him on Thusday...

Where is Marty? I really can't wait to read his take on all of this.

Ana

Rock on, Jill.

Ana

haha...and freaky freshman? look at the big cornell dude run with his tail between his legs. looks like someone made a point. and thunder??? jesus, come on

Jill wrote:

Ok, I am now calm enough to write about this. Then I am leaving this damn site. The thing about Swanee is. . . dudes, don't play it in our rink. If you want to do it, fine, tradition or whatever is fine. But it is rude when we (or say, the drum major at the time, ahem) asks you not to play it in our rink after said drum major complied with the wishes of Cornell to leave it alone while in Ithica. . . and then YOU DO IT ANYWAY. That's the beef. We are just as rude as the next fans in our rink, could we call ourselves hockey fans if we weren't? Alright that's all. See you all Thursday. Thanks for the entertainment

I can't confirm that, but neither do I have any reason to argue with it. (Except for whoever the pansy conductor was who agreed not to play it, I'd argue with that.) I could see being pissed off at being told it wouldn't be played and then it being played anyway.

To the Only Real Pep Band in the Ivy League: If I find out that you didn't play Swanee at Starr, I am demanding my donation back.

[Q]You called down the thunder, well now you got it. Thursday is going to be a heck of a time[/Q]

Damn straight. This is going to be so much fun!

Point of clarification for any who might be wondering, why is this freshman the only Colgate freshman posting a lot? Why does she care?

Honestly, it's not Cornell resentment per se. Heck, I got into Cornell! I got major scholarship offers! Cornell wanted me!

It's a combination of wanting to correct misstatements, a test of my logical abilities, and the pure addiction of reading post...after post...after post....

Yeah, so nobody cares about what I just wrote. But I felt like writing it anyway.

Ana

Okay, whoever you are (I'm assuming an alumnus/a)

I am officially scared of you now.

Ana

As far as Swanee goes, we'll talk before the game. That's something that needs to be discussed between me, our DM, and Cornell's admins. To talk about it now would be wrong and could lead to bad feelings.

Ok folks, I'm out. I can't take anymore. I'd like to reiterate that this is all in good fun, and I'd gladly have a beer with any Cornell band member. Don't let this leave the ice, where it belongs. Good luck to all, and a good night to most.

We can't bust heads like we used to, but we have our ways. One trick is to tell them stories that don't go anywhere. Like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe. So, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days nickels had pictures of bumblebees on them. 'Give me five bees for a quarter', you'd say. Now, where were we? Oh, yeah...the important thing was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn't have white onions because of the war; the only thing you could get was those big yellow ones.

(diff't episode)...and everyone was doin a dance called the funky grandpa!!!!

My sources tell me that Marty is the type to give his heart for transplant after being kicked in the balls. That is a most noble quality, something all of you fellow Colgate band members should aspire to. If you have balls anyway. I know at least one of you does..


..and Im spent

Well, this is going to be my very last post for the night! Not that anyone cares, but we'll pretend for a minute to make me feel good.

In summary, while I have said my fair share of harsh things about Cornell, honestly....I respect you guys both as a pep band and a pep band (I hope you understand what I'm trying to say here) (sorry John). You definitely have a lot of enthusiasm...yes, I'm trying to be really neutral here!

Oh, for those of you who don't take Chinese, xuesheng just means students, not anything bad....

See you on Thursday, Cornell!

Ana Kaufmann

Yo, Marty Bair, is he your biggggggg hero? Oh yeah, well I know stuff about Marty Bair that would chill your bones.

Sure, you all think that Marty Bair is the type that would give you a heart transplant even after you've kicked him in the nuts, but did you know that his dog constantly kicked his ass every day? The kid showed up to school wearing long sleeve shirts and when he rolled them up (on few occasions) he revealed massive claw damage. Just remember that.

Oh yeah, and the nicest guy in the world eh? Sure, he'd give me a ride home despite living across town, but his car was dirty and smelled bad and sometimes I had to drive around with his ghetto sister AND sometimes wait a whole 10 minutes because of her. That's not the American Way.

Role Model? It was well known that when he couldn't finish his lab reports on time, he tracked down the physics teacher at his home and FORCED him to take his assignments AT GUNPOINT and later encouraged other younger children to do so.

Besides this, he is an incompetent trumpet and doesn't know how to wear a beard. Oh yeah, and his dad doesn't allow any horse play in his pool.

Oh, the kicker? On applying to schools (if you couldn't infer this already - some of you ARE from Colgate - Marty and I went to the same high school, where he was a year older than me...anywhoo) he said he only regretted one thing: "My parents made me choose one school to apply to between Cornell and Colgate and I chose Colgate. Man, a lot of times I wish I picked Cornell. Don't make the same bad choice I did."

Where's your God now, Colgate?

-Gerber Bâby, '04

As far as Swanee goes, it dates back to a time where there was a stretch of games where we were seriously being treated miserably. Taunt the team, have good natured taunting in the stands, thats fine. But for a while, there were a lot of personal insults being thrown at individual members of the band while at Lynah. So Swanee sorta became a symbol of that. I assume there are two different groups of Cornell fans in regards to that one game. One group who thought Swanee was fine, and had no problem with our actions, and another group who aren't terribly fond of Swanee, or our tuba with the phrase "jump" on it. That was probally the worst it ever got. There were some real hard feelings on either side. You can see JTW still fuming that we had the audacity to bang a drum during the game. I can assure you, we feel deep shame. The Colgate band is usually reactionary, but after a few terrible experiences at Lynah, we decided to go on the offensive for once. And it was bad, I mean, there were people looking for us in the parking lot after the game. Things at Lake Placid weren't all that better. My personal favorite moment was at the football game next year. We were tailgating, and the Cornell drum major stopped by to say hello, and to say in a really condesending voice "Can we not play over each other this time?" We agreed. Then we continued to play for a small group of Colgate fans in front of us. There were about 15 of us. Just then, the Cornell marching band turned around, and came marching right between us and our audience. This was less than 5 minutes after our agreement. After that, both bands worked to tone things down, and work together a bit more. There were a lot of e-mails going on behind the scenes that I was a part of, and Nate '01 was as well. I think we've created something that can, and should be enjoyed. And then, once the game is over, celebrate together, thank each other, and leave it at that until next time.

Wow, this was the most mind-numbing thread I've ever seen. Can't believe I just read the whole thing. In case anyone forgot, there's a hockey game on Thursday.

Dude, don't get personal. This is about pep bands. Marty is a great person, a great friend. Leave him be. We are all better off for him being here. And you know it. He doesn't regret his choice of Colgate in the least - that was during a rough time his first year. We've all been there. He chooses not to reply to this thread, but he's reading.

Goodnight all.

Being a non-bandie... and someone who's had a hell of a time keeping up with this thread, I just want to say one thing.

I understand now that there's a story behind it, but Swanee really isn't that bad. Telling someone to die and drop dead isn't any worse than saying "go to hell" (wouldn't you have to die to do that?) and much, much worse things are said at college hockey games. We do that cheer/song at every game - not just you - and no one else, so far as I know, has a major problem with it. Certainly no one plays over it. If you want to respond to it, come up with your own thing... make it rude (but not obscene), and we'll try to respond back. But playing over it is just mean and inappropriate - it's not like we're telling you to "f*** off".

I admire you all for being such big fans - it's nice to know that the ECAC has such passionate fans at some schools. Having been at SLU and Clarkson this winter (and Union, but it's hard to judge when you shut out the other team), there is definitely a crowd of passionate fans. As opposed to Hahvahd who had like 8 students at Lake Placid last year.

Sure, hate us, go ahead, it's part of the fun... but understand that it's all part of the game and part of the fun, and it should all be left behind off the ice. Oh, and, don't play over our damn song .

-Fred

P.S. I'm serious about that last thing... and if you get some wussy band director to not play it, I'll get it going myself on Thursday .

[Q] P.S. I'm serious about that last thing... and if you get some wussy band director to not play it, I'll get it going myself on Thursday [/Q]

Well DeltaOne81, just wanted to let you know that "wussy band director" you referred to is actually reading all of this, despite never having posted to the forum before. It's nice to see what you really think of the band and the people that run it, knowing how big a fan you seem to be by constantly posting. But anyway, there's probably good reason why I am in charge of the band and have been a conductor, and not you. So why don't you just leave the job of "getting it going" to the band, as usual, and just be supportive. Afterall, it was me alone that someone in the Colgate band decided to share their views of our band with, before I shared it with the rest of the band and watched it make it's way onto here.

I never thought my first post would occur in the midst of a thread like this to reply to one of the Faithful!

See you all on Thursday! It's going to be an exciting trip!

I'm not usually one to involve myself in such ridiculous bickering. However, as the Colgate band's most senior member (and an insomniac), there are a couple of things I would like to clear up...

1) It's unfortunate that most of the responses in this forum have come from freshmen in our band. I would encourage that to stop. Boys and girls, until you've weathered a hockey game at Lynah in a Colgate rugby, you have no idea...

2) I was the band's Drum Major for the Swanee incident in early 2000. My decision to play over it had nothing to do with the Cornell band. It was late in a very intense and close game. First and foremost, I thought it would be a benefit to the team to hear Colgate's Fight Song as opposed to hearing however many Faithful were crammed into Lynah telling them to die. I was also... angered... to put it midly... by the personal insults being chanted directly toward me by a large portion of the Cornell fans. There is, of course, nothing wrong with an exchange of cheers and taunts, but personal insults caused me to lose any respect I had for the general Cornell population. To its credit, the Cornell band had nothing to do with that particular portion of the horrific evening. As a matter of fact, the only regret I had about choosing to play over Swanee that night... twice... was that it was disrespectful to my fellow musicians at Cornell, who, if they're anything like most band members I know, get their share of disrespect from everyone else. Playing over it was merely a tactical maneuver. I like to think that it, as well as the other actions of our band that night, contributed to our team's victory in what was probably the best hockey game I've ever seen. The full-out rumble with, what?, 10 seconds left in the game... something like that... was a priceless hockey moment we should all look back on fondly. If I were conducting in Ithaca on Saturday, I wouldn't even consider doing it again. Realistically, the game probably won't be that close... but when your team's in the top of the national rankings, you do what you gotta do.

3) After that game, as Gary mentioned above, I traded several very amicable emails with whomever was in charge of Cornell's band at the time... I think her name was Kim. We expressed our views and laid the groundwork for the system of tolerance and compromise that has been between our bands since. I did lose some measure of respect for the Cornell band when they sabotaged some of our songs at Lake Placid by sending some low brass (with the help of some RPI members, as I recall) to the balcony above us to play random noise during our songs. The tension was furthered at the football game Gary also mentioned when their attitude toward us was intensely condescending and the full force of the marching band was used to drown us out after they had agreed, no - suggested, we avoid such petty competition.

4) Then again, that was the marching band, not the pep band. And Kim is probably long gone. I've mellowed on the Cornell issue in the last three years. I think my attitude is the same as most of the band's. We don't have a problem with Cornell's band. That would just be stupid. We're all hardworking musicians just there doing our jobs. I hate your hockey team. I hope some of your more vicious fans are subjected to eternal hellfire. But hey, that's just the way it goes. Love us or hate us, it doesn't really matter. We'll be here hating you, and loving it.

5) That Beirut game would have been very different had the current mellophone section been represented.

Peace, all.
~Kevin '03

I think someone needs an emergency dose of Ritalin...