Cornell Goaltenders

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Townie

hockeydude
I am not saying that every goal that has gone in is because of the defense. Granted on some of them maybe he wasn't out challenging as far as he should and maybe some rebounds got away that he wish wouldn't have. Or maybe if he had dislocated is left knee and touched the crossbar with the back of his skate he would have made the save . I just don't think you can say that he has played "pretty bad" at times this year. If you look at the goals given up you can't say that any were really his fault or soft goals. Many of them have been defflections off of our own guys, giveaways in our own zone, powerplay goals from blown assignments, and odd man rushes. I don't understand how you can say the goalie should be held accountable for this stuff.

Let me preface that I agree with Beeeej and don't find your tone offensive.

Opinions aside, we can't dispute the fact that Schafer saw fit to pull Davenport several times. How would you explain that?

I don't agree that Troy hasn't given up some soft goals. I've seen them in Lynah. I do agree that he has suffered from an overall weaker defense leading to more opportunities for our opponents. Seminoff's absence doesn't help.

Sidebar: You carry the confident tone of one who knows hockey well, which I can respect. Without revealing your true identity, can you provide a little background??

You are so correct that Troy has given up some soft goals. ALL goalies do!! That includes Scrivens, McKee, LeNeveu, and, yes, Dryden. It happens. They're all human beings. They're all imperfect. With all of the variables, trying to decide who is the least imperfect is a (somewhat) subjective exercise. The only true value is that it gives us something to do between games.

Dryden didn't. It was Brian Cropper.

This is a good interpretation... and it's why many people on this forum find much greater comfort in Davenport starting (myself included).

Jeff Hopkins '82

Dryden didn't. It was Brian Cropper.

Silly me for missing that!!

That's not really a fair assessment, though, Jim. Of Scrivens' decisions this year (he's 3-6-2 overall, right?) he's gotten the decision in three games where he came on in relief of Troy - and those have been two losses and a tie. If you remove those where he came in down several goals and ended up with the decision, he's 3-4-1 - not great, but not too bad, I suppose. And Troy becomes 11-7-3 - still not too bad, but not great, either.

On top of that, as was pointed out earlier, Troy's gotten the benefit of more offensive support in front of him.

I think the safest bet is that we'll see both goalies this weekend, especially if the series goes three games. I have to figure that whoever starts will be on a relatively short leash.

bandrews37
That's not really a fair assessment, though, Jim. Of Scrivens' decisions this year (he's 3-6-2 overall, right?) he's gotten the decision in three games where he came on in relief of Troy - and those have been two losses and a tie. If you remove those where he came in down several goals and ended up with the decision, he's 3-4-1 - not great, but not too bad, I suppose. And Troy becomes 11-7-3 - still not too bad, but not great, either.

On top of that, as was pointed out earlier, Troy's gotten the benefit of more offensive support in front of him.

I think the safest bet is that we'll see both goalies this weekend, especially if the series goes three games. I have to figure that whoever starts will be on a relatively short leash.

I wasn't trying to make the case of one goalie being better than another, rather how sometimes it can be foolish to look at stats. Your refinement of the stats just reinforces the point that you can't make decisions based upon just that. I'd rather trust the judgement of a coach that I trust.