Cornell at Clarkson Post-game

Clarkson's announce team gives Davenport the #1 star of the game...why thank you.

New top of the ECAC standings after tonight:

1: Quinnipiac
2: SLU
3: Princeton
4: Cornell, Clarkson, Dartmouth

4th OT game for Cornell & Clarkson in their last 6 meetings, and Cornell is 7-1-1 against Clarkson since the 2004 ECAC playoffs.

Cornell's 0-3-1 record in its last four is its worst record over a four game span since December 1999.

sah67
New top of the ECAC standings after tonight:

1: Quinnipiac
2: SLU
3: Princeton
4: Cornell, Clarkson, Dartmouth

Going by percentage:

.778 SLU
.679 Quinnipiac
.667 Clarkson
.600 Cornell
"Whatsa behind me is not important."

cornell lost the last two games of the 00-01 season (at lake placid), and started with two losses during the 01-02 season.
nevertheless, your point is well taken.
it's hard to beat anybody when the team only scores 3 goals in 3 games (or 6 in 4).
who is in charge of the offense these days?

min
who is in charge of the offense these days?

min
cornell lost the last two games of the 00-01 season (at lake placid), and started with two losses during the 01-02 season.
nevertheless, your point is well taken.
it's hard to beat anybody when the team only scores 3 goals in 3 games (or 6 in 4).
who is in charge of the offense these days?

Off the top of my head, I think you mean lost their last two in '99-'00 and their first two in '00-'01. We definately beat Harvard in our penultimate game of '01.

Wow....no shit slinging! No pre-game or post game shit slinging. Could it be we are more tolerable and respectful of each other's programs? Or are we both more worried that the flamefest would blow out the elynah server?
Here is my take, you guys had the early jump and a lot more intensity. I felt we had more grade A scoring chances. I think both goalies played well, the nod to Davenport, for he made one or two more big time saves.
I felt your PK neutralized our PP and kudos for that. Both teams did not play an "A" game but the game was more of a "Cornell Style" than "tech style" which leads me to believe you dictated the play. (Hard to get a flavor for the game on the internet). Well, you know how it is when you play down to the competition . See you at Lynah!
Knight All,
Drew

Might wonder if Scrivens' performance last night took a little pressure off Davenport, letting him relax and play well tonight.

Drew
you guys had the early jump and a lot more intensity. I felt we had more grade A scoring chances. I think both goalies played well, the nod to Davenport, for he made one or two more big time saves.
I felt your PK neutralized our PP and kudos for that.

Agreed on all of this. The game was not played according to "Cornell style" or "Clarkson style." There was very little style at all. I was surprised at how poorly Cornell played tactically, and I was surprised and relieved Clarkson did not take advantage. I think if they play this game in this way 10 times, Clarkson wins 9 of them. We got lucky to get the point.

So ends a poor weekend for Cornell. The two bright spots are that Davenport showed himself to be the clear #1 goalie for the rest of the season, and the Cornell penalty kill was excellent. You could see the talent and drill of the Knights' powerplay. Cornell played their best hockey a man down.

The North Country teams are the most complete pair we have played this season, IMHO clearly ahead of Harvard and Dartmouth. On the one hand, it's great to see two quality programs back at the top of the league. On the other hand, it's a bitch.

See you at Lynah.

Drew or any other clarkson folks - Has there been any attempt to curtail the offensive and abusive language and behavior at Cheel? It seems to actually be worse than the last time I was there.

The f*&k you, and finger all night from the students got old very quick. I enjoyed the intensity and passion displayed by some students, and they even had a few creative cheers and jeers, but not the repetitive expletives.

Given the crack-down at Lynah, it seems nobody cares in Potsdam.

min
who is in charge of the offense these days?

Apparently Mitch Carefoot, the only Cornellian to score this weekend. I don't think he'll ever have a Vesce-esque seven points in one game, though, so we better figure out who else can score.

The band does its best to cut down the more offensive cheers early, but single people screaming obscenities randomly is quite hard for us to take care of. Scott Smalling has instructed the arena staff to throw people out if they catch them in the act, I believe. A reason the "crackdown" really hasn't happened is because our arena staff are almost all Clarkson students working for work-study jobs. Students don't want to throw out other students and get labeled as "that jerk usher" etc... on a campus this small, it would be likely to translate to life outside hockey games. I doubt they want that. Not saying they should be giving people as much leeway as they do, just offering a suggestion as to why they might.

daredevilcu
The band does its best to cut down the more offensive cheers early,...

As opposed to the RIP band which leads the "You Suck" cheer during opponent introductions at "The Morgue". While getting my haircut on Saturday my barber and friend (a former high school player) mentioned that he was turned off by the repeated 'sucks' cheers at RIP last year. He was with his then fiance - now wife - and apparently his profanity meter had been recalibrated by his impending change in marital status.

RIP might crack down but its not likely in the near future. They had more important fish to fry this year, with the retirement of Puckman and their new coach seemingly more worried about hockey than profanity.

daredevilcu
The band does its best to cut down the more offensive cheers early, but single people screaming obscenities randomly is quite hard for us to take care of. Scott Smalling has instructed the arena staff to throw people out if they catch them in the act, I believe. A reason the "crackdown" really hasn't happened is because our arena staff are almost all Clarkson students working for work-study jobs. Students don't want to throw out other students and get labeled as "that jerk usher" etc... on a campus this small, it would be likely to translate to life outside hockey games. I doubt they want that. Not saying they should be giving people as much leeway as they do, just offering a suggestion as to why they might.

Come on, there was a group action with many cheers. How about the "S H I T, that spells ivy". If the institution really wanted to change it they could. As at Cornell it would take a major effort and your coach would need to support it. Hopefully they wouldn't take it to the extreme that I believe Cornell has.

I enjoy going to Clarkson for games, after all I did get accepted there and my brother and his wife graduated from there, the games are usually high spirited and fun. However lately the crowd has started to act more like Colgate than the Clarkson of old (don't you like how us old people can use terms like that?).

Maybe the problem is that we have dominated them in the recent past, and we can hope that since they are obviously back in the hunt, they will respond to the game more and be creative and less offensive.

Related, they and SLU need to stop playing their drums during play. I believe it's against the rules and it's annoying. You shouldn't need that to keep the beat on a cheer. But I do have to say that it's certainly nice to go to an arena that really has a good pep band. The difference between Cheel and Appleton is volumes, even when Clarkson was having down years. Keep up the GOOD WORK, but ..., well I've already said the but part.

Finally, to emphasize the positive, Clarkson has been one of a few places that had some fans who knew the player on my jersey, Lodboa. I had two people come up to me last night. One who was selling 50-50 tickets and played on Clarkson's 70 team. That was nice.

Jim Hyla

...Clarkson has been one of a few places that had some fans who knew the player on my jersey, Lodboa.

Jim, you and your vintage jersey were clearly recognizable watching on Clarkson's free video.

Jim Hyla

daredevilcu
The band does its best to cut down the more offensive cheers early, but single people screaming obscenities randomly is quite hard for us to take care of. Scott Smalling has instructed the arena staff to throw people out if they catch them in the act, I believe. A reason the "crackdown" really hasn't happened is because our arena staff are almost all Clarkson students working for work-study jobs. Students don't want to throw out other students and get labeled as "that jerk usher" etc... on a campus this small, it would be likely to translate to life outside hockey games. I doubt they want that. Not saying they should be giving people as much leeway as they do, just offering a suggestion as to why they might.

Come on, there was a group action with many cheers. How about the "S H I T, that spells ivy". If the institution really wanted to change it they could. As at Cornell it would take a major effort and your coach would need to support it. Hopefully they wouldn't take it to the extreme that I believe Cornell has.

I enjoy going to Clarkson for games, after all I did get accepted there and my brother and his wife graduated from there, the games are usually high spirited and fun. However lately the crowd has started to act more like Colgate than the Clarkson of old (don't you like how us old people can use terms like that?).

Maybe the problem is that we have dominated them in the recent past, and we can hope that since they are obviously back in the hunt, they will respond to the game more and be creative and less offensive.

Related, they and SLU need to stop playing their drums during play. I believe it's against the rules and it's annoying. You shouldn't need that to keep the beat on a cheer. But I do have to say that it's certainly nice to go to an arena that really has a good pep band. The difference between Cheel and Appleton is volumes, even when Clarkson was having down years. Keep up the GOOD WORK, but ..., well I've already said the but part.

Finally, to emphasize the positive, Clarkson has been one of a few places that had some fans who knew the player on my jersey, Lodboa. I had two people come up to me last night. One who was selling 50-50 tickets and played on Clarkson's 70 team. That was nice.

It may be that things have changed with regards to policy in the past two years, but this was my experience at Cheel as a Cornell pep band manager (2005):

1. We, the Cornell band, were explicitly told not to play over the Clarkson band. Since this isn't something we do anyway, that was totally fine with us. However, the reason given was that the stacked noise would be hard on the hearing of the older fans. Nevermind that Cheel has a giant f-ing train whistle, or that the Clarkson band promptly proceeded to play over us at least once in pregame.

2. Yes, playing any instruments (drums, cowbell, that godawful guy with the plastic horn) while play is going on is against NCAA regulations. When I mentioned this to the rink manager up at Clarkson, he laughed and said he didn't care about it unless someone complained. He cited his love of an exciting/fan-threatening atmosphere as his reason for not changing anything. He was a nice guy, but he had a streak of unprofessional running through him. Even so, man I wish we had him at Lynah.

3. Ditto the non-usefulness of student ushers. From what I saw, their purpose was to stand there and do nothing, presumably from the reasons given.

From Cornell's official summary:

"A short-handed Cornell squad scored a tying goal in the second period as the Big Red battled to a 1-1 tie against Clarkson on Saturday night in Potsdam, N.Y. Playing without captain Byron Bitz, who became ill shortly before the game..."

Sounds like the bad pizza from the North Country a few years ago. Haven't they learned to avoid that place?

Wodon's starting to count us out...from CHN:

"Clarkson played a pair of 1-1 ties this weekend, despite playing better than its opponent in both games. In this one, Cornell hang on for dear life at times. The Big Red did play better than the previous night's loss to SLU, after getting reamed out by coach Mike Schafer. But with four freshman home for the weekend for reported disciplinary reasons, and Schafer imploring his seniors to show some leadership, and the power play hurting, it's starting to look more and more like it will be a step-back year for the Red."

There's still plenty of games left, but there simply cannot be any more silly losses due to lack of discipline, offense, etc., especially at Lynah.

The Cornell band that was there deserves a LOT of credit. They sounded really quite good and quite loud despite having only 15 people, I was really impressed. I thought we worked well together this year, even playing a song together during the second intermission. Hopefully we can do the same thing at Lynah and just blow everyone's minds

sah67
Wodon's starting to count us out...from CHN:
it's starting to look more and more like it will be a step-back year for the Red."

Actually that's rather a silly statement on his part. Losing the players we did, it looked like a "step-back year" right from the get-go. After all, did Adam think we were going to get to being one overtime win from the Frozen Four, like we did the last two years? If so, I want everyone, especially the opposing teams, to be smoking the same stuff.

Look, like I said at the beginning of the season, a top four ECAC (I don't think I'll ever be able to add that HL) standing and a decent chance to win the ECAC Tourney, then getting an NCAA bid, is about all we can expect. If the team, young as it is (including the senior leaders), can start to put it together we could do better.

Staying on top is tough and I think our coaches have done a great job in maximizing the output from our talent, year after year. One only has to look at Colgate and Harvard to be reminded of how it could be.

That said, I was not as down on the team yesterday as others seem to be. I thought we played a good game, especially considering who we had on the ice. We certainly could have lost, but we also had chances to win. I don't think we hung on to the tie or other such. I reserve that for how we won Schafer's early ECAC (we don't need the HL for those, right?) titles. Icing the puck can be wonderful at times.

daredevilcu
... but single people screaming obscenities randomly is quite hard for us to take care of.

No, it's really not. The shallow bowl of the Cheel seats makes it very easy to identify specific individuals who are yelling f&*k you and giving the finger to the players and referees, nevermind the *occasional* ones towards the opposing fans. See 20 seconds into the video below.

daredevilcu
Scott Smalling has instructed the arena staff to throw people out if they catch them in the act, I believe. A reason the "crackdown" really hasn't happened is because our arena staff are almost all Clarkson students working for work-study jobs. Students don't want to throw out other students and get labeled as "that jerk usher" etc... on a campus this small, it would be likely to translate to life outside hockey games. I doubt they want that. Not saying they should be giving people as much leeway as they do, just offering a suggestion as to why they might.

I totally agree. The "usher" at the top of 14A actually did his best to keep Clakrson students out to the visiting section at the beginning of the game, but not after the game started. The "ushers" along the GA student sections showed total apathy towards the actions of the students.

For those who would like to see some of the


"fans" from last night. Warning, do not play with loud volume at work.

Ivy envy, clap, clap, clap-clap-clap.

Cornell outplayed Clarkson and had more scoring chances. Was impressed with the Clarkson students. Because they are general admission, their sections are filled an hour before the game. As someone else said, I wish the enforcement of NCAA rules was the same at Cornell as it is at Clarkson.

In all, I was underwhelmed by what I saw in both St. Lawrence and Clarkson. Clarkson in particular wasn't anywhere near the team I expected.

Cornell has some real soul-searching to do.

my take on the game was that it was incredibly close because Tech played down to cornell's level. several times we tried to get too fancy or make one to many passes. Both goalies played well, with a slight edge to davenport.

with regard to the crowd at cheel, yes it is obscene. no I don;t like it. I am trying to be vocal and clean, sort of as an example, but as a freshman it is hard. Another problem is the student ushers, they don't want to be "that guy".

The crowd as gotten cleaner as the year has gone though. The Bullshit chant is nearly extinct. which is a positive. I thought "S H I T spells Ivy" was funny, and really not all that bad. I have heard the choir-boy like Lynah Faithful chant far far worse.

Jim, please don't take the candy being thrown back personally. it was sorta wrigley-esque

JDeafv

daredevilcu
... but single people screaming obscenities randomly is quite hard for us to take care of.

No, it's really not. The shallow bowl of the Cheel seats makes it very easy to identify specific individuals who are yelling f&*k you and giving the finger to the players and referees, nevermind the *occasional* ones towards the opposing fans. See 20 seconds into the video below.




"fans" from last night. Warning, do not play with loud volume at work.

Thanks for posting that; a video is worth alot more than my words!

JDeafv

daredevilcu
... but single people screaming obscenities randomly is quite hard for us to take care of.

No, it's really not. The shallow bowl of the Cheel seats makes it very easy to identify specific individuals who are yelling f&*k you and giving the finger to the players and referees, nevermind the *occasional* ones towards the opposing fans. See 20 seconds into the video below.

Isn't it more the point that it shouldn't be the Clarkson band's job to police the behavior of other spectators? The bands of any school can serve as a kind of rallying point, because there's more year-to-year consistency and leadership within a band than within a crowd. And bands can do their share of yelling "don't say/throw that, you idiot." But even so.

Jim Hyla
How about the "S H I T, that spells ivy".

Don't blame them, Jim. That is how they spell at Clarkson.

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Jim Hyla
How about the "S H I T, that spells ivy".

Don't blame them, Jim. That is how they spell at Clarkson.

Spelling at cornell is no better given the words I heard directed at us Tech fans at the playoff game I attended at Lynah last March.

I'll be at HFH next Friday for the first time since '74 so I'
ll keep an ear open for this. As of one could miss it, eh?

Jim,

Many good points above.

I do think that Tech's recent lack of success (except for the '04 playoffs which a lot of you guys still say "never happened" ) has brought about some of this poor behavior. It could also be that they're responding to some of what they've heard or heard about as visitors at Lynah over the years.

Last March at the playoff game I attended at Lynah, there were many profanities directed at Clarkson fans, albeit far fewer than in the early Schafer years. So let's not portray the Lynah crowd as choir boys. Fair enough?

I don't like the foul behavior at Cheel and never have. It has been several years since I've been able to get to a game while school was in session but there wasn't any bad behavior that weekend. Admitedly, the oppostion was Princeton and Yale.

I was there for two games this year, post-Thanksgiving, and since the students were on break, there was no objectionable behavior. I know Scott Smalling very well and spoke with him about it and he said they are trying to eliminate it and do eject the offenders when identified. The idea that the ushers are students and are uncomfortable being the "ejectors" makes sense but if that's the case, a more effective plan has to be adopted.

My standard for judging behavior at Tech is my student years at Clarkson Arena in the early 70s when the place rocked with cheers, jeers, and the Pep band in that cold tiny barn. By today's standards we were very well behaved while still being raucous and intimidating. Profanities were rare, just as they were in '72 when I saw my first game at Lynah. Of course, that home crowd was relatively quiet as Clarkson ended Cornell's long home ice unbeaten streak.

Regarding band behavior, I agree they should comply with whatever the rules are, and be respectful of each other's efforts but will also add that at Lynah in March, BOTH bands were playing over each other.

Nice to hear that some folks recognize your Lodboa jersey. There are at least three Tech alumni living in the North Country from Tech's '70 team that would recognize it...Steve Warr, Alf Maki, and Bill O' Flaherty, assuming he's in town that weekend. In the 4 or 5 times I've worn my Clarkson "Taylor" jersey at Lynah, I had one Cornell fan comment on it. A couple of others, asked "Who's he?" And they looked to be 45. Go figure.

Cornell always seems to be able to minimize Clarkson's quality scoring chances. As I've said since late last season, The Golden Knights have plenty of skill players; they need more GRIT both on the top 3 lines and on D! The lack of it plays right into Cornell's strengths and the Red usually shut down Clarkson's finesse-style offense and wins the battles in the corners and on the boards. From the little I saw and heard last night, it seems they did that again.

Hope to get to Lynah next month for the next installment in this rivalry. It should be a good one!

Rich,

I think what we, at least I, perceive as the difference is that if our students ever started cheers like I mentioned, there would be hell to pay. Yet, I saw nothing happenning to stop it. I'll only believe it when I see it. Over the years Lynah has gotten cleaner while Cheel has gotten worse. This game was the worst that I can remember. The S H I T cheer was so widespread that I have to believe it was premeditated (take that Beeeej).

The university needs to take a strong stand, otherwise you will turn out to be Colgate2, and I'd hate to see that. Clarkson has always been my most favorite place away from home. It's far better than Harvard, for although that rivalry is intense, it's only intense for both teams and the Cornell fans. The Harvard fans (?) only come because we're there, not because they really care about their team. The Clarkson fans care about their team and actually know something about them as well. That's what makes it fun, it's always been that way and I'd like it to always stay that way. However if it degenerates any further, well, I'd rather not see that.

Section A Banshee

JDeafv

daredevilcu
... but single people screaming obscenities randomly is quite hard for us to take care of.

No, it's really not. The shallow bowl of the Cheel seats makes it very easy to identify specific individuals who are yelling f&*k you and giving the finger to the players and referees, nevermind the *occasional* ones towards the opposing fans. See 20 seconds into the video below.

Isn't it more the point that it shouldn't be the Clarkson band's job to police the behavior of other spectators?

Sorry, I took "us" to be the Clarkson admin, because (as the video shows) it is easy to identify single people who exhibit offensive behavior.

I was at both games this weekend. Cornell had far more energy last night than against SLU(t) or Sacred Heart. They might not have been as organized as some of us are used to with our previous,experienced teams, but if they play with energy like last night I think they can win a lot of games. We will just have to hope the teamwork comes with time.

The atmosphere last night was about as good as I have seen in an away rink. That being said, I am far from conservative as far as cheers go, but I was really disappointed with the Clarkson students last night. Not only were individuals yelling f*ck this and that, and asking for "midget blood", but there were many organized cheers that wouldn't be allowed in most rinks. Many of these cheers didn't even make much sense.

"S.H.I.T spells ivy" as Jim said, "The price is wrong, B*itch" when we were denied on the powerplay, "...and Cornell still sucks d*ck" after the 1-minute marks, "bloody tampon, clap, clap, clap-clap-clap". I give them credit for their unity and enthusiasm, but these cheers seem a bit much too me (not to mention pretty dumb).

Maybe they need to learn a little more about hockey as evidenced by the "Empty net, clap, clap, clap-clap-clap" when Davenport went to the bench for delayed penalties.

cth95
Maybe they need to learn a little more about hockey as evidenced by the "Empty net, clap, clap, clap-clap-clap" when Davenport went to the bench for delayed penalties.

jim hyla
I honestly think they were trying to be funny with this one.

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt on this one. I did consider that idea,

Yes those cheers are tasteless and I don't like it but they are no less so than the ones directed at Clarkson players and fans at Lynah, as recently as last year.

Jim Hyla
Rich,

I think what we, at least I, perceive as the difference is that if our students ever started cheers like I mentioned, there would be hell to pay. Yet, I saw nothing happenning to stop it. I'll only believe it when I see it. Over the years Lynah has gotten cleaner while Cheel has gotten worse. This game was the worst that I can remember. The S H I T cheer was so widespread that I have to believe it was premeditated (take that Beeeej).

Agreed that a stronger stand has to be taken. The trend has to be reversed if it's gotten this bad.

From what I have been told and have heard, the presence of Cornell at Cheel brings out the worst in those Clarkson fans who cross the line. That's not an excuse but you can take it as a compliment given recent results between the teams, as mentioned previously.

I think "premeditated" definitely describes what I heard at Lynah last March, so again, lets be fair and balanced about this. Seems to me we're both living in glass houses.

Yeah, Lynah has gotten better (largely due to Schafer's actions, right?) because when I was there in '97 after an almost unthinkable 25 year absence, it was intolerable. The vulgarities hurled at Section O as well as at the Clarkson players and coaches were far worse than anything I've heard elsewhere.

Let's hope that passionate quality hockey is the focus of future meetings, not, for example, a kid who's been gone from the team for a few years now, or any Ivy putdown.

Rich S
Yes those cheers are tasteless and I don't like it but they are no less so than the ones directed at Clarkson players and fans at Lynah, as recently as last year.

From the Clarkson student section: "Davenport, I'm going to take off Krantz's skate and slit your f&*king throat with it," is not a cheer and that is what was so disappointing this weekend.

"Your coach beat you" was perhaps a tasteless cheer, but nowhere near as vulgar or offensive as what was directed at the players at Cheel this weekend.

JDeafv
From the Clarkson student section: "Davenport, I'm going to take off Krantz's skate and slit your f&*king throat with it," is not a cheer and that is what was so disappointing this weekend.

"Your coach beat you" was perhaps a tasteless cheer, but nowhere near as vulgar or offensive as what was directed at the players at Cheel this weekend.[/quote

I didn't catch the exact names, but I heard that one, too. Not very cool. My mother goes to a lot of the Clarkson games and used to go in the late 60's early 70's when she went to SUNY Potsdam. She was pretty shocked at the comments last night. She knows the president fairly well and is planning on mentioning this to him.

"bloody tampon, clap, clap, clap-clap-clap"

Probably a reference to "big red." That said, I hated it, pretty bad taste.

Maybe they need to learn a little more about hockey as evidenced by the "Empty net, clap, clap, clap-clap-clap" when Davenport went to the bench for delayed penalties.

I hate when they do that.

JDeafv
Drew or any other clarkson folks - Has there been any attempt to curtail the offensive and abusive language and behavior at Cheel? It seems to actually be worse than the last time I was there.

The f*&k you, and finger all night from the students got old very quick. I enjoyed the intensity and passion displayed by some students, and they even had a few creative cheers and jeers, but not the repetitive expletives.

Given the crack-down at Lynah, it seems nobody cares in Potsdam.

Edit: I don't want to start a flame fest. Disregard.
Cheers!
Drew

I have to say, I was a little nervous when I opened this thread late tonight and saw the copious Clarkson usernames amidst the thirty-plus new posts, but I was very pleased to see calm, rational, friendly give-and-take about last night's game atmosphere and what is and isn't appropriate in our rinks. I also have to admit smiling at the fact that all half dozen of RichS's posts managed to sneak in a "mote in my eye, plank in yours" comment, as if each one wasn't enough without the next - I would expect nothing less, and I mean that with humor and respect. It's good to see Clarkson on an ascendancy, and I hope you continue to succeed at hockey in every way possible except on Cornell's back.

Rich S
Yes those cheers are tasteless and I don't like it but they are no less so than the ones directed at Clarkson players and fans at Lynah, as recently as last year.

Bull. That cellphone video had more offensive behavior than I've seen from a Cornell crowd in a long, long time. Until this season I have typically sat in Section O (that's what the ticket office would have for sale) for several games putting me right across from the Cornell students and among the opposing fans and I never saw or heard anything like what was on that video. As for attacks at fans, the only organized cheers directed at the opposing fans are "Section O Sucks" and the occasional wardrobe insult. This season I've been at most home games and although my seats don't allow me to hear the Cornell student section as well, I'm sure there has been any organized cheer like that S H ! T chant at Lynah while I've been in attendance.

Rich, you've been going after Cornell fans for a long time. Frankly, I think you're embarrassed to admit that your own fans are worse.

Bonesaw? What is up with that? It's really stupid looking. Do Tech fans plan on performing Civil War era battlefield surgery after the game?

daredevilcu

Probably a reference to "big red." That said, I hated it, pretty bad taste.

The reference is obvious on this one. I just think it is over the line. For example, when somebody called us Commies or something like that, I thought it was fine.

Ben Rocky 04
Bonesaw? What is up with that? It's really stupid looking. Do Tech fans plan on performing Civil War era battlefield surgery after the game?

I ask that question every week... no one seems to know the answer. but it is a group of hockey fans... they come to games, they cheer... so I am not complaining

JasonN95

Rich S
Yes those cheers are tasteless and I don't like it but they are no less so than the ones directed at Clarkson players and fans at Lynah, as recently as last year.

Bull. That cellphone video had more offensive behavior than I've seen from a Cornell crowd in a long, long time. Until this season I have typically sat in Section O (that's what the ticket office would have for sale) for several games putting me right across from the Cornell students and among the opposing fans and I never saw or heard anything like what was on that video. As for attacks at fans, the only organized cheers directed at the opposing fans are "Section O Sucks" and the occasional wardrobe insult. This season I've been at most home games and although my seats don't allow me to hear the Cornell student section as well, I'm sure there has been any organized cheer like that S H ! T chant at Lynah while I've been in attendance.

"Fuck em up, Fuck em up, Go CU!" and "Cya Asshole, you goon" are both more offensive than SHIT spells IVY. Those chants are organized and led by YOUR BAND. [ I know our band does "the price is wrong bitch, I hate that one too]

I think the answer to "S-H-I-T that spells Ivy" could be something like "G-O-O-N that spells Clarkson." It's funny cause it's true!

</stirShitUp>

Dpperk29
"Fuck em up, Fuck em up, Go CU!" and "Cya Asshole, you goon" are both more offensive than SHIT spells IVY. Those chants are organized and led by YOUR BAND. [ I know our band does "the price is wrong bitch, I hate that one too]

The Cornell band does not swear at games, even to the point that the administration doesn't let us say the word "suck." We say "Rough 'em up" and "Ahhh see ya, you goon," and what the rest of the crowd does is up to them.

The commies cheer I thought was hilarious, although all I caught was "commies." I didn't hear what else went with it. As for bonesaw, it has no real purpose besides giving the student section something to rally around other than the band, which I like a lot. Whatever drums up excitement and enthusiasm at games is fine with me, even if it makes no sense whatsoever.

For the record, the full cheer was "Pinko Commies."

Dpperk29

Ben Rocky 04
Bonesaw? What is up with that? It's really stupid looking. Do Tech fans plan on performing Civil War era battlefield surgery after the game?

I ask that question every week... no one seems to know the answer. but it is a group of hockey fans... they come to games, they cheer... so I am not complaining

Wasn't Bonesaw the name of "Macho Man" Randy Savage's wrestling character in the first "Spiderman" movie?

More crappy video of our favorite Clarkson fan. His mother must be proud.

[www.elynah.com]

I'll echo Beeeej's and Drew's compliments of the overall friendly discourse for this round. (and my amusement at RichS's insistance of the "I know you are..." playground logic). It's a good rivalry, and I think we've made some good friends on the other side. While the passions do get riled with each others' digs, I really like the fact that Drew, daredevilcu, that "traitor" Dpperk29, et. al. continue to stop by and contribute to the discussion.

Let me preface my remarks by saying I don't get offended by much of anything. Probably the only thing that would cross the line for me would be something similar to making Travis Roy jokes at BU. But anything others consider to be a "swear word," I really don't care about and don't understand why others get upset about them. Granted, I don't have children to "protect," so while I feel that words are just words, they're out there in society and I understand a lot of people are offended by them. As a result, out of respect for others, I don't use them except in extreme situations.

"S-H-I-T, that spells IVY" has been around at Clarkson-Cornell games since at least 1992 when I was a freshmen. And it was used in Lynah Rink (as well as Cheel) by the Clarkson section almost every year, and in varying numbers. Usually it was just part of the great back-and-forth chant battles that happen between Section B and Section O. Nobody really blinked an eye for all those years.

Successful teams in traditional spectator sports bring out idiot fans. No matter what the sport, and almost everywhere. From BC and Minnesota to even Harvard and Union. (OK, I guess you don't have to even be successful). Online boards like this and the Roundtable attract the most fervent fans who generally aren't like the stereotypical douchebag most associated with being a student fan at Starr Arena...yet still a small percentage of the people going to games. Everyone's got 'em, some more than others. A single guy flipping the bird or lobbing an f-bomb, or a few humorous chants aren't reason to blanket an entire fan base.

My main point:
I think the reason for the raising objections to stuff observed at Cheel this weekend is more due to the Cornell fans' frustrations at the most recent crackdown at Lynah. People are getting season tickets revoked for not even saying what they are accused to have said, if the earlier threads are to be believed. The underlying message that is trying to get drilled into the heads of the Cornell student is that "you can't say that here...sez so in the NCAA book." Then we go to other rinks and see the same behavior and nothing being done. Almost a "hey, if we can't do that, why can they get away with it?" reaction.

daredevilcu: great insight on the ushers. I hadn't thought of them being students not wanting to be seen as the narc.

RichS: Jim never painted Lynah as choir boys. Others on this thread eventually went there, but not Jim.

JasonN95: I beg to differ. Even this year, there's plenty of blue material in at least D & E. Maybe not as organized as A&B have been in the past, but it's still there.

Anyway, sounded like a fun game to watch. I wish I could've been there. Great to hear that Cheel is buzzing again and that the North Country teams are back to being more than formidable, as infuriating as that is to say.

JDeafv

Rich S
Yes those cheers are tasteless and I don't like it but they are no less so than the ones directed at Clarkson players and fans at Lynah, as recently as last year.

From the Clarkson student section: "Davenport, I'm going to take off Krantz's skate and slit your f&*king throat with it," is not a cheer and that is what was so disappointing this weekend.

"Your coach beat you" was perhaps a tasteless cheer, but nowhere near as vulgar or offensive as what was directed at the players at Cheel this weekend.

For the record, the supposed "cheers" that I clearly heard fom your Section O directed at Clarkson's Dustin Traylen more than once a few years ago make the above profanities seem tame. One lynah jerk even came around to yell it from Section O.

CowbellGuy
More crappy video of our favorite Clarkson fan. His mother must be proud.

[www.elynah.com]

I *think* you can see Clarkson rink staff watching this episode, which clearly supports daredevil's statements regarding the fear of the ushers to enforce the stated policies.

However, it's possible those people standing in the back are just other fans.

JDeafv
[From the Clarkson student section: "Davenport, I'm going to take off Krantz's skate and slit your f&*king throat with it," is not a cheer and that is what was so disappointing this weekend.

Maybe it's the fact that I'm reading this 2 days later and three thousand miles away instead of hearing it, but I think that's frickin' hilarious. It's so over the top ridiculous that it's funny.

ftyuv
I think the answer to "S-H-I-T that spells Ivy" could be something like "G-O-O-N that spells Clarkson." It's funny cause it's true!

</stirShitUp>

"S-H-I-T, that spells Potsdam!"

</moreStirring>

CowbellGuy
More crappy video of our favorite Clarkson fan. His mother must be proud.

[www.elynah.com]

Be nice, he just learned a new hand gesture. And that's their valedictorian you're mocking there.

Rich,

I don't know why you refer to my pointing out the historically poor behavior at Lynah, including many profanity-laced "premeditated cheers" directed at visting fans and players, as "playground logic."

It's perfectly logical to remind posters here of that when they get on their high horse to rail against offensive behavior at Cheel. Seems that some of you have forgotten just how vulgar many of the faithful have been although as I said earlier, it has gotten somewhat better in recent years in my experience.

And the "choir boy" reference wasn't directed specifically at Jim, rather it was a general comment. I thought the intent was clear.

Regarding your main point of the objections here, I echo what Drew said earlier. If anyone is ticked off that your rink no longer lets you get away with the nonsense that goes on in other rinks, then complain to your AD. I see plenty of folks doing that here on a regular basis on other issues.

Lastly, Jason, it's not a question of my embaressment regarding whether or not the behavior at Cheel is worse than at Lynah. Perhaps you missed my earlier comment that I don't approve of the sort of behavior that apparently occured on Saturday. I don't see the point in debating which fans are guilty of worse antics. The point is that it's all tasteless, a demonstration of a lack of sportsmanship, and needs to stop.

If I've been "going after" cornell fans for a long time, it's because they set the standard at least in the East, for vulgar behavior years ago and the attention to it was warranted just as it is when it has more recently taken place at Cheel.

Interesting...how do cornellians spell "Ithaca"?

I should also tack on that toward the end of last semester we had made marked improvements in cutting down on offensive cheers that were reported to Scott Smalling. One that has been popular for several years now, "Jesus Hates You," we had pretty much gotten it through the student section that if done, it would result in people getting kicked out. This weekend being the first weekend of hockey since break, students got overexcited and out of hand. I expect they'll reign it back in as the semester continues.

Rich S
For the record, the supposed "cheers" that I clearly heard fom your Section O directed at Clarkson's Dustin Traylen more than once a few years ago make the above profanities seem tame. One lynah jerk even came around to yell it from Section O.

Thanks for the clarification, I was worried the townies in Section N were giving you crap.

I don't really understand all this concern about abusive language. I am far more worried about the violent, drunk morons (Colgate) than the harmless, boistrous morons, which is pretty much everywhere else, most notably North Country. Last year we had a boy scout troop swearing at us at Clarkson and sorositutes cussing at us at SLU (with an appropriate T). Perhaps I don't care because being in the band means you get it everywhere (that and dumb people are funny)...

Rich S
Interesting...how do cornellians spell "Ithaca"?

F-U-N!


Or "I-M-I-S-S-N-Y-C-:- (", depending on our mood.

ftyuv

Rich S
Interesting...how do cornellians spell "Ithaca"?

F-U-N!


Or "I-M-I-S-S-N-Y-C-:- (", depending on our mood.

I'm pretty sure I spell it I-T-H-A-C-A

Also accepted: N-O-T-P-O-T-S-D-A-M

G-O-R-G-E-S. It's on all the t-shirts.

ajec1

Rich S
For the record, the supposed "cheers" that I clearly heard fom your Section O directed at Clarkson's Dustin Traylen more than once a few years ago make the above profanities seem tame. One lynah jerk even came around to yell it from Section O.

Thanks for the clarification, I was worried the townies in Section N were giving you crap.

I don't really understand all this concern about abusive language. I am far more worried about the violent, drunk morons (Colgate) than the harmless, boistrous morons, which is pretty much everywhere else, most notably North Country. Last year we had a boy scout troop swearing at us at Clarkson and sorositutes cussing at us at SLU (with an appropriate T). Perhaps I don't care because being in the band means you get it everywhere (that and dumb people are funny)...

Those boy scouts were pretty annoying. They actually told me my team sucks, which would've gotten them kicked out of Lynah, to get back on topic. They left me alone once I told them Santa wasn't real though.

Rich S
It's perfectly logical to remind posters here of that when they get on their high horse to rail against offensive behavior at Cheel. Seems that some of you have forgotten just how vulgar many of the faithful have been although as I said earlier, it has gotten somewhat better in recent years in my experience.

Your string of "you too!" posts are silly and illogical. They are silly because they are being done solely to make you feel better about behavior that you know to be wrong*. They are illogical because your reason for (repeatedly) making the point that Lynah can be nasty rests on a false presumption.

You presume that eLynah either sincerely thinks that the Lynah Faithful are squeaky clean cheerers or are covering up that they aren't. Clearly this isn't true. You can find a lot of comments on eLynah on whether what the Cornell fans do is appropriate and I don't think anyone defended any of the specific taunts that so offend you.

Also, your point is not relevant. The thread is about the behavior at Cheel by Clarkson fans. It was, by some accounts, rude. Whether Cornell fans are also rude is not germane to a discussion of whether Clarkson fans are rude. If we are rude, and you want to make a point of it, feel free. Bringing it up here in a halfhearted defense of the Knight fans is a bit desperate.

*NB: I don't care at all how nasty the comments get. Ever. I don't make the rules but if I did nothing posted on here would get a shouter kicked out.

There has definitely been a drop off in the word choice on these chants over the last few years.

The two bright spots are that Davenport showed himself to be the clear #1 goalie for the rest of the season, and the Cornell penalty kill was excellent. You could see the talent and drill of the Knights' powerplay. Cornell played their best hockey a man down.[/quote]

The fact that Scrivens got pulled is definitely not a bright spot, more so is something to worry since we have two inconsistent goalies and a non-factor one. Everyone here is quick to point out a goalie can have an off night when defending Davenport, so the same logic would apply to Scrivens. Davenport has been pulled already in half a year as much as McKee in three years. Of Scrivens two starts he has a shut-out and getting pulled, there is no clear number one. That said I do agree that Davenport definitely has the upperhand now.

cth95
There has definitely been a drop off in the word choice on these chants over the last few years.

every time I have been at lynah for like the last 3-4 years it has been very easy to make out "asshole" and "fuck'em up" cornell choirboys swear too

CowbellGuy
Also accepted: N-O-T-P-O-T-S-D-A-M

at home ithaca was spelled many ways... L-I-B-E-R-A-L-V-I-L-L-E, R-E-E-F-E-R-V-I-L-L-E, or simply H-E-L-L

The fact that Scrivens got pulled is definitely not a bright spot,

Davenport is definitely the #1 goalie, but the SLU(t) game wasn't very good for assessing Scrivens' ability. Speaking as a goalie, it would be nice if everyone could rise up to any challenge, but the D was horrible in front of Scrivens. The SLU(t) players had way too many wide-open chances right in front of him. McKee and LeNeveau didn't have to face uncontested passing lanes in the slot very often.

Scrivens made some decent saves but obviously had lost his confidence by the time he let that floater go by his glove. I can guarantee that if he wasn't already feeling a little nervous, he certainly would have been after that. It is pretty tough to feel confident when you don't play very often and you just gave up two quick goals even when rational thought tells you they weren't your fault.

We will just have to wait and see him play again when the team plays half-decently to see if he can hang in there more consistently.

Dpperk29

cth95
There has definitely been a drop off in the word choice on these chants over the last few years.

every time I have been at lynah for like the last 3-4 years it has been very easy to make out "asshole" and "fuck'em up" cornell choirboys swear too

I didn't say that these expressions are gone. I just said they are less prominent than they used to be.

Dpperk29

cth95
There has definitely been a drop off in the word choice on these chants over the last few years.

every time I have been at lynah for like the last 3-4 years it has been very easy to make out "asshole" and "fuck'em up" cornell choirboys swear too

You know you've turned into a troll when you stop bothering with either capitalization or punctuation.


Advisory: The above was meant to be taken in jest. I keeed, I keeed!

ugarte

Rich S
It's perfectly logical to remind posters here of that when they get on their high horse to rail against offensive behavior at Cheel. Seems that some of you have forgotten just how vulgar many of the faithful have been although as I said earlier, it has gotten somewhat better in recent years in my experience.

Your string of "you too!" posts are silly and illogical. They are silly because they are being done solely to make you feel better about behavior that you know to be wrong*.

Why this isn't an argument, its only contradiction.

No it isn't.

Yes, it is.

Isn't.

Is.....

French Rage
G-O-R-G-E-S. It's on all the t-shirts.

Right...except that it's U-G-L-Y downtown.

That's a great spin there.

My comments are certainly both logical and anything but silly.

Yours is a "false presumption" that I need to make myself "feel better" about the behavior. That's absurd. I clearly stated that I disapprove of it as much as I have always disliked the garbage spewed at Lynah.


What is there to "feel better" about? I don't engage in it myself and I don't defend it at Cheel or anywhere else.

I recognize the several comments that have been made here that are critical of some of the Faithful's behavior. The point was that it's disingenuous to throw stones at what happened at Cheel when behavior at Lynah has been no better. As previously stated I believe, "served from the same menu."

My comments are both relevant and germane given the complaining much earlier that what has not recently been tolerated at Lynah sems to be permitted at Cheel and a rebuttal that what I heard and saw at Lynah last year didn't happen. Once you introduce the comparison and the response, you've opened the discussion wide to points being made about what goes on at Lynah.

What I have to say is hardly a half-hearted defense and not at all deperate because I am NOT defending it at all. I never have and this is at least the third time I've said that.

Hopefully you get it but since you feel that all the "asty comments" should be allowed, perhaps you can't.

Thanks for the contribution Marty, I loved it. See you at HFH on ay perhaps?

marty, could you fix that url? it's broken.

Rich S
Yours is a "false presumption" that I need to make myself "feel better" about the behavior. That's absurd. I clearly stated that I disapprove of it as much as I have always disliked the garbage spewed at Lynah.

What is there to "feel better" about? I don't engage in it myself and I don't defend it at Cheel or anywhere else.

You write about the Lynah behavior here ad nauseam, yet I've never seen you say word one on the Round Table about the goings-on at Cheel. If you "disapprove" of the latter as much as you've tried to lead us to believe in this thread, why is that?

When I was in Ithaca over Christmas, my parents and I ran into a friend of theirs who is "in the know" on the Lynah ushers. According to him, approximately 25 students have had their season tickets revoked this year in one section alone.

Lynah ushers patrol the aisles after practically every single penalty, trying to catch people saying "asshole," and during Gary Glitter as well.

The Lynah Faithful are definitely no angels (else such enforcement would not be required), but that's not even the issue.

The issue is that Cornell is taking steps to curtail it, and Clarkson isn't. Hence, Cornell fans don't feel it's fair that they have to stand there and take what they're not allowed to dish out.

I think you'd find that the vast majority of Cornell students would prefer a no-holds-barred, anything-goes verbal melee - as long as it's a fair fight. As it stands right now, that's not the case.

It's an indication of how poorly we played that we're reduced to whining about the other team's fans. That's the sort of thing we've come to expect from... you get the point.

You know what will make the opposing team's fans more bearable? Beating them. Then they'll shut up. Until then, well, there are always enough morons in any given crowd to color it. That's the whole secret of mob violence.

Rich S
That's a great spin there.

My comments are certainly both logical and anything but silly.

The point was that it's disingenuous to throw stones at what happened at Cheel when behavior at Lynah has been no better.

My comments are both relevant and germane given the complaining much earlier that what has not recently been tolerated at Lynah sems to be permitted at Cheel and a rebuttal that what I heard and saw at Lynah last year didn't happen. Once you introduce the comparison and the response, you've opened the discussion wide to points being made about what goes on at Lynah.

Rich, I hate to say it, but these two in bold seem to be contradictory and the second is the reason this discussion got started in the first place.

The fact is that Lynah used to have much more foul language, however Coach Schafer made an effort, largely sucessful, to clean it up. Sure there are isolated foul cheers, but they certainly are not the rule, nor in the organized manner that they seemed to be at Cheel.

JDeafv started this by an innocent question

Drew or any other clarkson folks - Has there been any attempt to curtail the offensive and abusive language and behavior at Cheel?It seems to actually be worse than the last time I was there.

I do not think that anyone on this side feels we are lilly white, just as I stated above; Lynah has largely been cleaned up and by contradistinction Cheel seems to have gotten worse.

Let's all agree that none of us here condone that behavior and now we can all go have a beer together or turn and come out fighting. Personally I prefer the former.

ftyuv

Dpperk29

cth95
There has definitely been a drop off in the word choice on these chants over the last few years.

every time I have been at lynah for like the last 3-4 years it has been very easy to make out "asshole" and "fuck'em up" cornell choirboys swear too

You know you've turned into a troll when you stop bothering with either capitalization or punctuation.


Advisory: The above was meant to be taken in jest. I keeed, I keeed!

when posting from class, one does not pay attention to such trivial things...

Until then, well, there are always enough morons in any given crowd to color it. That's the whole secret of mob violence.

Hooray Psych101! And still a valid point!

Trotsky
It's an indication of how poorly we played that we're reduced to whining about the other team's fans. That's the sort of thing we've come to expect from... you get the point.

You know what will make the opposing team's fans more bearable? Beating them. Then they'll shut up. Until then, well, there are always enough morons in any given crowd to color it. That's the whole secret of mob violence.

Well said!

Worked for me on two different PCs. ?!?

You can paste this into your address bar.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTl9zYS3_dc

Trotsky
It's an indication of how poorly we played that we're reduced to whining about the other team's fans. That's the sort of thing we've come to expect from... you get the point.

You know what will make the opposing team's fans more bearable? Beating them. Then they'll shut up. Until then, well, there are always enough morons in any given crowd to color it. That's the whole secret of mob violence.

Thank you. I couldn't have said it better myself. No, really: I couldn't.

Kyle

marty
Worked for me on two different PCs. ?!?

No it didn't.

Any news on why we didn't have Romano, Nash, Gallagher, and Milo on the trip? --and if so when they are playing again? Even though I haven't seen them yet, fron what I have been reading on here their loss must have influenced our lack of scoring.

I'll let Rich S. answer that!

Elliot Olshansky reported on his rink rat blog that the freshmen would be back for Yale/Brown this weekend, but didn't provide a direct source for that information. I'd imagine that the magnitude of the "disciplinary" offense they committed was significant enough that it warranted a benching for a weekend series (albeit an important one), but not enough that Schafer would want to keep some very talented young players off the ice more than is absolutely necessary to preserve his player standards.

sah67
Elliot Olshansky reported on his rink rat blog that the freshmen would be back for Yale/Brown this weekend, but didn't provide a direct source for that information.

I thought I heard Schafer say that in the pre-game interview before the SLU game. Something about "coach's decision...back next weekend."

cth95
Any news on why we didn't have Romano, Nash, Gallagher, and Milo on the trip? --and if so when they are playing again? Even though I haven't seen them yet, fron what I have been reading on here their loss must have influenced our lack of scoring.

I wouldn't expect ever to have more information than "coach's decision" or "disciplinary decision." It's none of our business.

The point, RichS, is that we aren't stupid, ignorant, forgetful, or so blind to our own fellows' faults that we would not acknowledge that some people at Lynah have been vulgar, rude, etc. over the years, perhaps even as recently as your last visit there. But the fact that we acknowledge such a thing does not require us to provide a detailed preamble to that effect any time we address what we see as vulgar or rude behavior in other fans.

As much as you may see it as your job to remind us of our fans' behavior whenever we address another schools' fans' behavior, it isn't. We know it already, and your mentioning it in every single post you've made in this thread was unnecessary every single time. Nobody claimed that Lynah was better than Cheel before the third or fourth time you suggested that we were pretending Lynah was filled with choirboys. So your suggestion was knee-jerk, if unsurprising given the past.

Rich S

French Rage
G-O-R-G-E-S. It's on all the t-shirts.

Right...except that it's U-G-L-Y downtown.

Says the guy from Jersey (if I remember correctly...)

ajec1

Rich S

French Rage
G-O-R-G-E-S. It's on all the t-shirts.

Right...except that it's U-G-L-Y downtown.

Says the guy from Jersey (if I remember correctly...)

Yes and that's why it's known as the "G-A-R-D-E-N S-T-A-T-E.

Also, I'm originally from upstate New York, less than an hour from Ithaca. And years ago, downtown Ithaca wasn't ugly. I remember Ithaca well, having spent many days at Cornell watching football and later at IHS for high school sports including running X-Country races on your campus.

Al DeFlorio

Rich S
Yours is a "false presumption" that I need to make myself "feel better" about the behavior. That's absurd. I clearly stated that I disapprove of it as much as I have always disliked the garbage spewed at Lynah.

What is there to "feel better" about? I don't engage in it myself and I don't defend it at Cheel or anywhere else.

You write about the Lynah behavior here ad nauseam, yet I've never seen you say word one on the Round Table about the goings-on at Cheel. If you "disapprove" of the latter as much as you've tried to lead us to believe in this thread, why is that?

Probably because you missed it last year when it was discussed there.

And because it was never that much of a topic at Clarkson because until only the last couple of years, it wasn't nearly the issue at Cheel that it has been for a long time at Lynah.

Jim,

Yes I'd much prefer a beer...anytime.

And, no the two in bold actually are not contradictory because they came from different sources.

It was my observation, seconded by others, about the behavior at Lynah in the past being no better than at Cheel. The complaints that the actions no longer tolerated at Lynah were allowed at Cheel came form Cornell folks.

Just because it isn't "tolerated" does not mean it doesn't still happen to some degree; it does imply that those who engage in it are ejected as has been pointed out here often in the past couple of years.

I know for a fact that offenders at Cheel have been tossed in the recent past. If enforcement last weekend was lax, and prompted complaints from some folks here, that's unfortunate and as I said before, a more effective system is called for.

However, when some of you come on here howling about vulgarities and classless cheers at Clarkson, it rings hollow given that you still have plenty of mess to clean up in your own barn. I experienced it myself last March and yes, some of the foul "cheers" were organized.

Ugarte for one, said he's fine with the behavior as it doesn't bother him, but otherwise it seems the rest of us agree.

Beej, it's not my job to remind you of your fans' behavior but it certainly is my right just as you see it as yours to make an issue of it at Cheel while you paint behavior at Lynah as far less offensive than it actually is. One doesn't need to be a lawyer to know that right.

Indeed posters here did refer to behavior at Lynah being better than that at Cheel before I posted on this thread. And I didn't claim 3 or 4 times that you pretended to have an arena full of choir boys. Wouldn't that be Yale or Harvard ?

So spare me the lecture complete with specious logic. It's not surprising given your past.

Rich S

Al DeFlorio

Rich S
Yours is a "false presumption" that I need to make myself "feel better" about the behavior. That's absurd. I clearly stated that I disapprove of it as much as I have always disliked the garbage spewed at Lynah.

What is there to "feel better" about? I don't engage in it myself and I don't defend it at Cheel or anywhere else.

You write about the Lynah behavior here ad nauseam, yet I've never seen you say word one on the Round Table about the goings-on at Cheel. If you "disapprove" of the latter as much as you've tried to lead us to believe in this thread, why is that?

Probably because you missed it last year when it was discussed there.

Well, I did find a thoughtful essay by Scott Comstock disapproving the behavior of Clarkson students at Cheel. And several subsequent postings, including one from daredevilcu, expressing strong agreement. Predictably, not one word from you on the subject. But I did find innumerable examples of your "kneejerk" cheap shots at Lynah fans in other threads.

[www.goldenknightshockey.com]

Kudos to Comstock. And, one more time, the bullshit award to you, Rich.