Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by calgARI '07
Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: calgARI '07 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: December 06, 2006 02:13PM
Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: RichH (216.195.201.---)
Date: December 06, 2006 02:17PM
Wow. Here's to one terrific career. Thanks for doing Cornell proud, Joe.
Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: Beeeej (38.136.58.---)
Date: December 06, 2006 02:37PM
Amen.
And damn.
And damn.
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Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: nyc94 (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: December 06, 2006 02:56PM
Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: calgARI '07 (---.public.cornell.edu)
Date: December 06, 2006 03:04PM
When was the last time there was not at least one Cornell alum in the NHL?
Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: Beeeej (38.136.58.---)
Date: December 06, 2006 03:12PM
calgARI '07
When was the last time there was not at least one Cornell alum in the NHL?
I'm reasonably certain that it was the day before Brian Hayward arrived in Winnipeg in 1982-83.
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Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: Larry72 (---.nys.biz.rr.com)
Date: December 06, 2006 03:23PM
A sad day for all of hockey.
Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: calgARI '07 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: December 06, 2006 03:31PM
Well I think Nieuwendyk probably feels some relief. He's been battling that back injury for several years and likely been playing through considerable pain. He had a great career - three cups, Calder, Smythe, 500+ goals. I think he's a safe bet for the Hall of Fame. It's too bad he had to finish his career in somewhat obscurity with Florida.
I've thought for a couple years that whenever Schafer leaves Cornell, Nieuwendyk could be the next coach. As far as I know, he will be living in the area after he retires.
I've thought for a couple years that whenever Schafer leaves Cornell, Nieuwendyk could be the next coach. As far as I know, he will be living in the area after he retires.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/06/2006 03:40PM by calgARI '07.
Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: JasonN95 (---.nyc.deshaw.com)
Date: December 06, 2006 04:18PM
calgARI '07
I've thought for a couple years that whenever Schafer leaves Cornell, Nieuwendyk could be the next coach. As far as I know, he will be living in the area after he retires.
What I'd like to see is Schafer staying the coach with Joe a quasi-volunteer coach who from time to time stops in at practice to share his wisdom. That would seem like an attractive situation to recruits.
Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: nyiballs (---.nys.biz.rr.com)
Date: December 06, 2006 08:28PM
"Cornell goal scored by #25... Joe Nieuwendyk!"
"NIEUWENDYK!!"
Congrats on a wonderful career to Joe.
"NIEUWENDYK!!"
Congrats on a wonderful career to Joe.
Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: Trotsky (---.ashbva.adelphia.net)
Date: December 06, 2006 09:10PM
He and his wife need to start working on producing the Class of 2030.
Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: fullofgas (---.nys.biz.rr.com)
Date: December 06, 2006 09:19PM
If I'm not mistaken he already has kids. Anyone know the skinny?
Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: RatushnyFan (---.rbccm.com)
Date: December 06, 2006 09:45PM
Thanks for the memories Joe. Hoping you stay close to the game in some capacity, I'm sure he will. Sustained excellence is a rare thing in the NHL. I'm sure it's hard to walk away even with the injuries.
Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: billhoward (---.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)
Date: December 06, 2006 10:07PM
If you paid attention in hygeine class, you wouldn't have to ask.fullofgas
If I'm not mistaken he already has kids. Anyone know the skinny?
Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: fullofgas (---.nys.biz.rr.com)
Date: December 07, 2006 06:34AM
Nice
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Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: kfish (---.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com)
Date: December 07, 2006 09:37AM
"...Nieuwendyk, who plans to continue living in South Florida with his wife, Tina, and their three children..." (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/hockey/panthers/sfl-sppanspec07dec07,0,7677299.story?coll=sfla-sports-panthers)
Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: CKinsland (---.biotech.cornell.edu)
Date: December 07, 2006 10:11AM
Ithaca Journal article:
[www.theithacajournal.com]
So, they have a home here...the Sun Sentinel says they intend to live in Florida. Maybe they'll spend significant time here, though with kids, if they "live in" Florida they'll likely be there during the school year and not much available for informal assistant coaching.
CK
[www.theithacajournal.com]
Ithaca Journal
He, his wife, Tina, and their three children have a home in Ithaca.
So, they have a home here...the Sun Sentinel says they intend to live in Florida. Maybe they'll spend significant time here, though with kids, if they "live in" Florida they'll likely be there during the school year and not much available for informal assistant coaching.
CK
Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: ugarte (38.136.14.---)
Date: December 07, 2006 10:18AM
The Sun-Times says that they are going to live in Florida. The Journal implies that they are going to live in Ithaca. I think the only thing we know is that they don't want to pull their kids out of school in the middle of the school year.
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Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: RichH (216.195.201.---)
Date: December 07, 2006 10:42AM
My impression is that they had a lake house in the Ithaca area that they went to just during the offseason. An NHL all-star can probably afford to keep more than one home. And the family of an NHL all-star most likely wouldn't be too pleased at choosing to spend winters in Ithaca, NY. All the Journal said was that they "have a home in Ithaca."
Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: Jordan 04 (155.72.24.---)
Date: December 07, 2006 10:43AM
Perhaps they'll live in Ithaca during the habitable month(s?), and then head south for the school year.
Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: dss28 (70.19.7.---)
Date: December 07, 2006 11:23AM
Or maybe it was theoretical... "He'll always have a home here [in our hearts]."
Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: The Rancor (---.mia.bellsouth.net)
Date: December 07, 2006 11:39AM
he is THE reason i played hockey as a kid. i'll miss him in the NHL. I'll love him in the Hall Of Fame.
Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: Rich S (12.162.105.---)
Date: December 07, 2006 02:40PM
Circumstances of his retirement are very similar to those that caused Dave Taylor's retirement.
Both were great players and terrific leaders both on and off th eice.
And among the best pros the ECAC has produced.
I always liked Joe and rooted for him except when he played for the dreaded Devils.
Both were great players and terrific leaders both on and off th eice.
And among the best pros the ECAC has produced.
I always liked Joe and rooted for him except when he played for the dreaded Devils.
Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: Jeff Hopkins '82 (---.airproducts.com)
Date: December 07, 2006 05:09PM
Rich S
I always liked Joe and rooted for him except when he played for the dreaded Devils.
Wow, I agree with RichS on something. That's scary
Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: Rich S (---.dyn.optonline.net)
Date: December 07, 2006 10:03PM
Jeff Hopkins '82Rich S
I always liked Joe and rooted for him except when he played for the dreaded Devils.
Wow, I agree with RichS on something. That's scary
Not scary...smart!
Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: Brian (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: December 08, 2006 09:54AM
Interesting, I know somebody that has adjacent property to Joe and they go hunting together from time to time. So it begs the question, what are you referring to when you mention off-season?
Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: December 08, 2006 11:18AM
Seems like only yesterday:
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Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: Rita (---.ind.choiceone.net)
Date: December 08, 2006 08:58PM
From NHL.com
[www.nhl.com]
I never got to meet Joey, and due to needing sleep more than 6 am pick-up hockey, missed a chance to play with him at the Rink during one of the summer pick-up times. The only time I got to see him play live was at a few of the Alumni games in the early 90's. Everything I have heard and read emphasizes what a classy guy he is. I wish him the best as he transitions into retirement.
[www.nhl.com]
I never got to meet Joey, and due to needing sleep more than 6 am pick-up hockey, missed a chance to play with him at the Rink during one of the summer pick-up times. The only time I got to see him play live was at a few of the Alumni games in the early 90's. Everything I have heard and read emphasizes what a classy guy he is. I wish him the best as he transitions into retirement.
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Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: Trotsky (---.ashbva.adelphia.net)
Date: December 09, 2006 12:21AM
Rita
From NHL.com
[www.nhl.com]
I never got to meet Joey, and due to needing sleep more than 6 am pick-up hockey, missed a chance to play with him at the Rink during one of the summer pick-up times. The only time I got to see him play live was at a few of the Alumni games in the early 90's. Everything I have heard and read emphasizes what a classy guy he is. I wish him the best as he transitions into retirement.
I've met him half a dozen times. Extremely nice, classy guy, not at all ruffled or pompous from the acclaim he got from the Faithful.
Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: aoop7 (128.253.139.---)
Date: December 11, 2006 04:14PM
After looking into his profile, I am a little confused. I know he left Cornell in '87, but did he graduate? Some sources suggest that he did not, and others refer to him as '88. Just curious.
Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: calgARI '07 (---.twcny.res.rr.com)
Date: December 11, 2006 04:26PM
aoop7
After looking into his profile, I am a little confused. I know he left Cornell in '87, but did he graduate? Some sources suggest that he did not, and others refer to him as '88. Just curious.
I heard recently that he's still a few credits short.
Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: Beeeej (38.136.58.---)
Date: December 11, 2006 04:44PM
aoop7
After looking into his profile, I am a little confused. I know he left Cornell in '87, but did he graduate? Some sources suggest that he did not, and others refer to him as '88. Just curious.
People who attend Cornell are considered members of the class with which they entered unless they request reaffiliation with another class. This is true whether or not they finish their degrees. So referring to him as "Joe Nieuwendyk '88" implies nothing about the status of his degree.
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Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: Rich S (12.162.105.---)
Date: December 11, 2006 05:06PM
Beeeejaoop7
After looking into his profile, I am a little confused. I know he left Cornell in '87, but did he graduate? Some sources suggest that he did not, and others refer to him as '88. Just curious.
People who attend Cornell are considered members of the class with which they entered unless they request reaffiliation with another class. This is true whether or not they finish their degrees. So referring to him as "Joe Nieuwendyk '88" implies nothing about the status of his degree.
Perhaps not, in the Cornell way of doing things but it's a bit misleading given that the popular understanding is that the year mentioned implies the year of graduation.
That said, the Panthers missed him last night at MSG. They were punchless in a 2-1 loss to the Rangers, a game they easily could have won if they had they had a player like Joe who knew how to finish!
Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: Beeeej (38.136.58.---)
Date: December 11, 2006 05:44PM
Rich SBeeeejaoop7
After looking into his profile, I am a little confused. I know he left Cornell in '87, but did he graduate? Some sources suggest that he did not, and others refer to him as '88. Just curious.
People who attend Cornell are considered members of the class with which they entered unless they request reaffiliation with another class. This is true whether or not they finish their degrees. So referring to him as "Joe Nieuwendyk '88" implies nothing about the status of his degree.
Perhaps not, in the Cornell way of doing things but it's a bit misleading given that the popular understanding is that the year mentioned implies the year of graduation.
It was the same way at Columbia when I worked there. I admit that's not much of a sample size, but I wouldn't be surprised if most colleges' and universities' alumni offices operate the same way - as soon as you matriculate you're a member of the class, graduating just gets you the degree. Even if Joe finishes his degree in 2008, I wouldn't expect him to reaffiliate with the Class of '08, and I kind of doubt you'd expect him to refer to himself as Joe Nieuwendyk '08. So if you expected class year to mean year of graduation for everybody, you'd be misleading yourself at least a little.
Of course if someone puts "Joe Shlabotnik, Cornell University '88" on his resume, and he never graduated, you could probably assume he's being deliberately misleading. But that's a little different.
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Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: French Rage (---.packetdesign.com)
Date: December 11, 2006 06:26PM
I smell wacky back-to-school movie!
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Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: Rich S (12.162.105.---)
Date: December 11, 2006 06:48PM
You have to love the Joe S. reference.
But I believe it's "Shlobotnick" and I have an old Peanuts button to prove it.
But I believe it's "Shlobotnick" and I have an old Peanuts button to prove it.
Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: French Rage (---.packetdesign.com)
Date: December 11, 2006 09:09PM
Rich S
You have to love the Joe S. reference.
But I believe it's "Shlobotnick" and I have an old Peanuts button to prove it.
Wikipedia disagrees: [en.wikipedia.org]
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03/23/02: Maine 4, Harvard 3
03/28/03: BU 6, Harvard 4
03/26/04: Maine 5, Harvard 4
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Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: fullofgas (---.nys.biz.rr.com)
Date: December 11, 2006 10:38PM
French RageRich S
You have to love the Joe S. reference.
But I believe it's "Shlobotnick" and I have an old Peanuts button to prove it.
Wikipedia disagrees: [en.wikipedia.org]
and of course we all know Wikipedia is an unimpeachable source!!?!
Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: Beeeej (---.cable.mindspring.com)
Date: December 11, 2006 11:02PM
fullofgasFrench RageRich S
You have to love the Joe S. reference.
But I believe it's "Shlobotnick" and I have an old Peanuts button to prove it.
Wikipedia disagrees: [en.wikipedia.org]
and of course we all know Wikipedia is an unimpeachable source!!?!
Charles M. Schulz disagrees, too.
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Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: CUlater 89 (---.nyc.res.rr.com)
Date: December 11, 2006 11:39PM
Beeeej
People who attend Cornell are considered members of the class with which they entered unless they request reaffiliation with another class. This is true whether or not they finish their degrees. So referring to him as "Joe Nieuwendyk '88" implies nothing about the status of his degree.
Official policy at the Sun used to be you did not use class year unless the person graduated. The famous exception was Vonnegut. After Nieuwendyk left school, a few of the editors decided to do the same to honor him, although early on it wasn't used consistently (and in fact if the Managing Editor saw it, he would take it out).
Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: jtwcornell91 (Moderator)
Date: December 12, 2006 01:39AM
Rich is probably confused because I used to use "Joe Schlobotnik" as a pseudonym. At the time, there weren't the same resources available online, and I made my best guess as to the spelling.
Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: BCrespi (209.191.175.---)
Date: December 13, 2006 11:22AM
Joe and Dryden mentioned in the same piece
From ESPN.com writer E.J. Hradek's blog:
From ESPN.com writer E.J. Hradek's blog:
Why Nieuwendyk was great
posted: Friday, December 8, 2006
When a top player retires, the question is inevitable: Is he a Hall of Famer?
In the case of Joe Nieuwendyk, who abruptly retired on Wednesday due to chronic back problems, I offer a thumb's up. And, just for the record, I think I have a pretty high standard when it comes to such an honor. For instance, I wouldn't have voted for the induction of Clarke Gillies, Cam Neely or Bernie Federko. After all, it's not the Hockey Hall of Really Good. It's the Hockey Hall of Fame, a club for the elite. I think Nieuwendyk fits in that elite class.
Nieuwendyk's career numbers are solid. He netted 564 goals and 1,126 points in a 20-year career. Throughout the years, he was a top two-way center who could beat you with a single shot, a deadly accurate wrister that he would usually launch from the top of the circle. As a youth, his standout abilities on the lacrosse field helped his game on the ice. Working with a lacrosse stick helped him develop that terrific wrist shot. He won the Calder Trophy after scoring 51 goals in his rookie season and he matched that number in his sophomore campaign. In all, he tallied 192 goals in his first four seasons.
However, I think I'm most impressed with the fact that Nieuwendyk helped three different teams to the Stanley Cup. In 1989, he was part of a Flames team that stopped the Canadiens. In 1999, Nieuwendyk was part of the Stars title team. He enjoyed a great playoff run centering a line with Dave Reid and Jamie Langenbrunner. For his efforts, he was named the Conn Smythe Trophy. And, in 2003, he played a supporting role in the Devils championship run. He didn't play in the finals, however, due to injury.
In 2002, Nieuwendyk added an Olympic gold medal to his career résumé, skating for Team Canada.
In the dressing room, Nieuwendyk was a class act. He was a quiet, no-nonsense guy who led by example. I can't think of a time when he said anything negative or controversial to those of us in the media. Simply, he was team player.
Langenbrunner, who was traded to New Jersey with Nieuwendyk in 2002, was a little surprised by the timing of the decision. Like most people around the league, Langenbrunner knew the Panthers pivot had been suffering with back woes for several years, but he didn't realize things had gotten that bad.
"I know he'd gone to see a specialist" in Cleveland earlier in the week, Langenbrunner said after his Devils edged the Habs, 2-1, in overtime on Wednesday night. "I know he was hopeful to play another season or two."
Nieuwendyk's back, which limited him to just 15 of Florida's 29 games this season, obviously put an end to those plans. Still, he probably won't complain. That was never his style.
In the next couple of years, with the recent retirements of icons Mark Messier, Scott Stevens and Ron Francis, entrance to the Hall will be difficult. Here's hoping the voters don't miss the boat on Nieuwendyk, who stands among the best players to ever lace on the blades.
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I just gotta tell you how much I love the Canadiens sweaters. I've been a fan of their classy look since my childhood. I was reminded of it on my way into the Devils-Habs game on Wednesday. In the parking lot, I spotted a guy wearing a white road (once home) jersey with the big No. 29 on the back. The name, DRYDEN, stood above the number. In Ken Dryden's day, I don't think the Canadiens had names on the back of the sweaters. I could, however, be completely wrong about that. The memory starts to go when you reach your mid-40s.
Still, to me, the Canadiens jersey, road or home, with that classic CH on the front, means hockey. I can't imagine how much of thrill it must be for a young player to pull on that sweater for the first time. I hope they never change it. It's just another reason I'm frightened about the "new look" that the league plans to introduce at the All-Star Game. The league has been working with Reebok for the past several years on coming up with a more form-fitting uniform. They plan on going to the new look next season. I'll reserve complete judgment until I see it, but I really doubt that I'm going to like it. I have a feeling a lot of you aren't going to dig it, either.
I KNOW!
As ignorant as I might appear from time to time, I do know that Brett Hull skated for the Red Wings and Dave Andreychuk spent several seasons in Buffalo during their respective careers. Several readers, who replied to my ESPN.com column where I talked about the ceremonies honoring those players, thought I might not have known that.
Well, I do remember that. In fact, they both played for multiple teams. Andreychuk made several stops in his long career; aside from the Lightning, he skated for the Sabres, Maple Leafs, Avalanche, Bruins and Devils. Hull, meanwhile, began his career with the Flames, who traded him to the Blues. After his long stint in St. Loo, Hull spent time with the Stars, Wings and Coyotes.
I do hope that the Wings decide to have a small ceremony for Hull and it would be nice to see the Sabres honor Andreychuk. I'm not saying that either club has to retire those jerseys, but I think it would be a fitting gesture by both clubs.
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Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: Rich S (12.162.105.---)
Date: December 13, 2006 09:32PM
Thanks John.
I'm confused about a lot of things these days but this isn't one of them.
That Peanuts button is still on a bulletin board in the house where I grew up. It definitely has Joe S's name spelled the way I did above. Hopefully I'll remember to retrieve it when I'm upstate in two weeks.
And ol' Joe will still need a hit to raise his BA to .004!
I'm confused about a lot of things these days but this isn't one of them.
That Peanuts button is still on a bulletin board in the house where I grew up. It definitely has Joe S's name spelled the way I did above. Hopefully I'll remember to retrieve it when I'm upstate in two weeks.
And ol' Joe will still need a hit to raise his BA to .004!
Re: Joe Nieuwendyk Retires
Posted by: Al DeFlorio (---.hsd1.ma.comcast.net)
Date: December 14, 2006 05:33PM
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